For example, Hacker News is:
They won't work in IE6, but that's just the way it goes. Should work great on Twitter, hopefully.
I'm pretty sure services like Twitter count bytes, not characters. So unicode will not give you much by ways of savings characters.
Also, analytics make the shorteners these days, not length. They're all pretty much short enough, no?
Sorry for the accidental downvote-- I have a reflex of downvoting people who reply to the wrong comment and I forgot this was my own thread. Sorry. :(
Twitter is doing a character count and doesn't care about bytes-- if it did, it means that tweeting in non-ASCII languages only gets half the characters. That's not exactly fair.
If people like the service, we'll be adding metrics and even allow people to search for tinyarrows that were associated with a particular domain.
It's more of something fun-- we're not trying to change the world or anything. We make a lot of sites/toys and this is just one of the fun ones to share with people.
We make a lot of sites/toys and this is just one of the fun ones to share with people.
At the peak of .Com days, there was a startup that promised to bridge e-mail and snail mail: one can use their service to email people who don't have an email account or connectivity, and it would be delivered through snail mail.
Maybe some of the clients or the SMS stuff doesn't like it, but the core site will let you type 140 unicode characters and share that with people.
SMS can use the default 7-bit GSM encoding, an 8-bit encoding or UTF-16, giving maximum lengths of 160, 140 or 70 chars/code points, respectively.
That said, I think a lot of phones don't have full unicode support.
Also, is there a better way to display this in the comments?
I think that SEO is really making things worse for URLs. Remember 4 years ago, when "The URL was the New Command Line"? And it was considered a feature that you could look at a URL like http://site.com/user/3916 and hack it to get similar pages for other users? Can't do that with http://yoursite.com/this_was_an_article_that_i_wrote.
Seems like a step backwards.
I built these a while back but they haven't seemed to pick up traction. str8.to uses google's "i'm feeling lucky" - vanity urls without having to go register them.
However, I'm not convinced that mainstream users will get comfortable with it (because it looks "different"). This, plus the fact that enough problems can exist from creation/sharing/clicking that it's likely just not worth the hassle.
Maybe it's just me, but lack of compatibility is a high price to pay for a character (or two) shorter URLs.
And the URLs are dramatically shorter than a character or two-- for example:
http://➡.ws/껻 (6 chars after protocol)
http://tinyurl.com/aqehn8 (16 chars after protocol)
http://ri.ms/9i0 (9 chars after protocol)
It only beats our own ri.ms shrinker by three characters, but that's still something people might consider. And because it uses unicode, it will be a very long time before it moves beyond even 2 character suffixes.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback. :)
Based on your error message, I bet it's not FF3 but whatever showed you the link. If I had to guess, you clicked on the link/page through a feed reader or something?
Can you confirm whether it happens when you click directly from this page/site on Hacker News? (which seems to be handling them great)
I'm using Firefox 3.0.5 on Windows XP.
FYI, the other link you gave in http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=498246 too doesn't work for me: "Firefox can't find the server at www.%e0%b2%95%e0%b2%b0%e0%b3%8d%e0%b2%a8%e0%b2%be%e0%b2%9f%e0%b2%95.com."
Some IM messangers and emails will mess IDN links up, so I'm on a crusade to notify vendors to get things working better.
Also these don't work in IE6. Are they using that?
Can they click on a page like this? http://ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ.com ?
Thanks in advance!
Are you clicking them from a feed reader? Or from the Hacker News page? What kind of error do you get?
Sometimes feed readers or the like urlencode the domain name and it confuses IDN resolvers in browsers.
If it's not working directly from http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=498051 can you tell me what version of Chrome and Firefox you're using?
Page Load Error
Address Not Found
Firefox can't find the server at www.➡.ws.
In one discussion here on HN I figured out it's probably because of some security measure to prevent phishing. There are some Unicode characters that look like normal ASCII letters (for example in Cyrillic alphabet), so if Unicode worked in urls, you could create malicious sites that would look like real ones:
Also, check your about:config and filter by IDN, you should see a lot of settings there. Any of them not set to default?
Especially check this one:
by default it is set to True.
What other Firefox addons do you have that might be parsing URLs before you visit them? Any?
Thanks a lot for the feedback!
network.enableIDN;false (user set)
NoScript, AdBlock Plus
Microsoft Windows 5.1 (Build 2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.080814-1236: Service Pack 3)
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/220.127.116.11 Safari/525.19
Reading from the front page of Hacker News. The links work but all of the fancy pants unicode stuff shows up as square boxes. This was also a problem when http://unicodesnowmanforyou.com/ was making the rounds.
I'm almost certain it's just a font issue since the Unicode Snowman takes advantage of a font embedding feature specific to IE (and works properly there). I'm not sure anything can be done about this, short of pushing browsers to install fonts.
It works fine in my Chrome:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/530.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/18.104.22.168 Safari/530.1
I'll have to see if I can install the original Chrome 1.0 on another machine and check it out, too.
Thanks a lot for the feedback.
Firefox can't find the server at www.%e2%9e%a1.ws.
For example, emails and http:// addresses are already recognized as such in places like the gnome terminal (which is great then for irssi IRC) or even in this forum comments. But can't just domain.com/that/ be enough info to ne recognized as an url?
The www version actually works on Twitter, so we may make an easy API for that one for tools to use.