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YouTube's New Hue (design.google)
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An ad interrupted my video today, it was Tom Hanks in a podcast talking about his prostate.

The ad was (not so obviously) AI generated; both an AI clone of his voice and an AI-generated face-swap/ lip replacement.

This seemed pretty surprising because it was fairly convincing. He looks like he is saying the dialog of the ad.

It's surprising because there's no way the creator of the ad got Hanks' approval to use his likeness; meanwhile Youtube is profiting by selling the ad. Seems illegal, yet i'm forced to watch the garbage.

The ad in general is part of a similar trend I've been seeing of these AI generated voices speaking fast about prostates or large eggplants (if you know what I mean) used with influencers' or podcasters' likenesses. I would never click on the garbage, and it's probably a scam anyway.

I just scratch my head wondering if this massive company realizes the garbage they are forcing into our lives.


At this point, if someone is not using UBlock and Revanced, it is 100% their fault. Megacorps has very clearly told us that they want ever profits even if it destroys lives, our planet and our future.

Or paying for Premium. I do that to make sure the creators get something.

I thought ublock stopped working on youtube, did anything changed?

Never stopped working for me. Haven't seen a YouTube ad in many years.

Ublock has been blocking all youtube ads for me for many years (on Firefox).

Youtube seems to pause the video after less than a minute when I use Firefox. Works in Edge, but then there's ads.

Be sure to use Firefox and "uBlock Origin", not Adblock.

youtube hasn't touched their anti-adblock code since june

Saving up all the changes for when they finally drop Manifest V2.

As a firefox user you won't be affected by that.

I am using it with Firefox together with a pie hole equivalent (Mullvad, NextDNS, ...) and my YouTube experience is ad free.

ublock on Vivaldi here, never saw an ad on YouTube since years.

I now hate YouTube so much because of ads that I wonder which is WORSE for their company — that I keep watching the ads or that I pay for premium, just to take the option that gives them least benefit.

Yep. And somehow, they’ve figured out how to instantly strike your channel if you accidentally use copyrighted material.

> I just scratch my head wondering if this massive company realizes the garbage they are forcing into our lives.

I know someone who works on the technical side of a national newspaper and he has been happy and encouraged me to continue when I pointed out scammy ads ("Japanese knives" and that sort of things).

Seems they don't vet ads individually but can take down ads they become aware of.

With Google however it seems to me money is all that matters.


This is probably the type of ad you ran into: https://www.404media.co/deepfake-youtube-ads-of-celebrities-...

> The ads lead users to a page on “thrivewithcuriosity.com,” where after confirming they are “40+” years old, they are shown a meandering and very explicit 40-minute long presentation about the miracle drug that is getting men including celebrities, strippers, and adult performers “rock hard.”

normalize the 40+ age check

> Notably, the ingredients do not include “midnight beetle powder,” which the long video pitching Prolong Power explains is the secret ingredient that gave the church bats their magnificent erections.


The article is from December 4th? Crazy that the ads are still running. I saw the same type of ad just a few days ago.

I get that it’s a cat and mouse game, and the advertisers are going to keep tweaking the ad and re-uploading it. But surely YouTube can detect literally any of the keywords. The ad I saw the other day still uses the same general script as what’s in the article.


omg yes this

Honestly, I really appreciate the bizarre, half-ass creativity that goes into these ads. I'm sad I missed this:

> The video takes viewers on a bizarre journey from a strip club in Texas to a fake Harvard urologist’s office to an abandoned church in Thailand where scientists discovered a species of bat with abnormally large and long-lasting erections. Along the way, deepfake videos of everyone from Tom Hanks, Denzel Washington, and adult entertainment star Johnny Sins are made to say they have been quietly using this secret formula to last longer in bed. The video eventually concludes by offering viewers the opportunity to buy six bottles or 180 days-worth of Prolong Power at $49 per bottle.


if you put a satirical news show logo in the corner, it becomes prime content

Someone showed me a polished ad for some crypto thing, but when I looked at the code the ad wanted you to run it had a bunch of obfuscation that redirected everything you owned to a specific wallet address. I checked six weeks later and YouTube was still running the ad. The wallet had something on the order of $20m added to it in that time.

This! There are SO MANY borderline nsfw ads on YouTube now. All with AI voices and deepfaked faces. Often the same exact script, but a different face and slightly varied stock footage mixed in.

A simple word filter for “this one simple trick” or “get your _ rock hard” could catch all of these ads. But I guess YouTube makes money off of it, so they have no real incentive to fix the problem.

I even recently got a gun ad with an AI voiceover. Advertising features such as how you “don’t need a license” and it’s “easy to sneak through security”.

Reported that one to YouTube a week ago. Not sure if the ad is still running, but the unlisted video is still up a week later, and it has 2 million views! (Some (all?) ads are just an unlisted video you can grab the id to.) There are multiple comments on it asking how it’s allowed, or saying how they reported it. (As well as a terrifyingly many, possibly bot comments, asking how to buy the item)

It’s breaking TOS in so many ways. There’s a transcript of the video. Videos that contain too many swear words get automatically marked as adult content or demonetized, but they seemingly allow anything in advertisements.

Most ads are less than a minute! If any human at YouTube glanced at the ad for even a second they could remove it and ban the account. Something which should happen before showing the ad to millions.


That's funny. I got a similar ad with Sylvester Stallone wanting to share with me this one amazing salt trick!

Is it a reasonable argument to say you can pay $20/month or whatever it is in your country and avoid ad's altogether?

Just wait until they introduce a “brief ad” into paid premium subscriptions too.

Well then it would be a good argument. Competition for video and short video services especially paid members makes that harder though


Don't want to get scammed? Pay up.

> yet i'm forced to watch the garbage.

Are you?


You can just say you don’t like the new red branding color, you don’t have to go this hard on them.

… but look! NEW HUE! We’re not diluting it either!

I could tolerate Mozilla’s annual pontifications on colour and shape, but YouTube is tone deaf. The design changes they are making aren’t going to shape or mitigate the harm the ads they host are bringing.


> Seems illegal

Criminals the size of Google don't have rap sheets, they have a fan base.


saw one of deepfake schwarzenegger hocking fake viagra, astounding

> Robyn: To give YouTube a sense of motion, we created a dynamic red-to-magenta gradient. For the second color, orange and yellow were strong contenders, but magenta felt like the most natural pairing with our new red. Interestingly, magenta doesn't often appear in the natural world, so it symbolizes the imagination and evolution that YouTube embodies. We also placed the gradient at a 45-degree angle with magenta on the right, signifying forward movement.

Kinda reminds me of this quote

https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1311_05-08_mickens.pdf

> There will be rich debates about the socioeconomic implications of Helvetica Light, and at some point, you will have to decide whether serifs are daring statements of modernity, or tools of hegemonic oppression that implicitly support feudalism and illiteracy.


During the golden age of the Romantic period, it was not uncommon for writers to employ almost ludicrously UV-level prose to the works of famous composers.

I'll leave you with this particular critic's review of a piece of music by Gottschalk (a famous 19th century American composer). They are like "chants of the New World, chants which bring tears to our eyes, so much do they breathe of sadness and simplicity. One transports us to forests. . . another represents faithfully the indolent Creole swinging in his hammock. .. and what shall we say of the third? Does it not seem to be overwhelmed by that solemn silence and that solitude which one feels traversing those vast prairies at the foot of the Rocky Mountains?"

IMHO the reason LLMs are so proficient at these kinds of vapid flights of fantasy is that they must have ingested the entire fanfic library on Wattpad.


  Bateman:
    [internal monologue] Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh my God... it even has a watermark.

Perfect

After reading justifications like that, I find it hard not to feel cynical about people who suggest and promote such changes. Am I missing something important, or is this really just a fig leaf covering busywork, promotions, and internal politics? Every time I’ve had to implement a "fresh redesign" as a developer, it always seemed to be about scratching an itch for a higher-up or a designer.

They mention technical reasons like avoiding screen burn-in.

That's a great point I overlooked, thank you for bringing it up!

No, you're not missing anything. This is what is colloquially referred to as bullshit.

In my masters, I took a few courses from design degrees.The assignment of the semester was to create a generative display in Cinder. I cobbled something together based on what I thought looked good.

A project partner took the task of retroactively assigning an "intention" to my result. "The lines meeting in the center symbolize a conversation between people...".

To my surprise, the examiner bought this and we ended up with a good grade. I feel like I learned a lot from this course.

I'm not saying that's what happened here, but if it did, we probably couldn't tell.


Doesn't sound like a good design teacher if they cared at all about intent, or even how long it took you.

I heard an anecdote from someone whose mom went to art school, about how she (the mom) would spend days and days painstakingly processing materials and meticulously conceptualizing and constructing pieces, and always felt sour when a party girl did nothing but get drunk/high for weeks and then just "poured paint on her tits" for her assignment, and got a better grade. But maybe pouring paint on her tits was actually more profound, even if unintentionally, than whatever her mom was up to. Effort, intent, is meaningless in creative practice.


any time i read quotes like that, i immediately start rolling my eyes that people actually believe the words being uttered. "symbolizes the imagination and evolution" yeah, that's what a color says to me. these are essentially Rorschach level tests where it says more about the person than anything factual

You just need to learn to embrace the Pepsi Universe: https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell...

(For newcomers with limited time, scroll to the last 2 pages)


Is it bad that I kind of find myself almost…respecting how ludicrous it is?

This is... genius, or parody? I can't tell.

The same folks (Arnell Group) did a redesign for Tropicana.

Tropicana lost 30 million dollars in sales and had to revert the change.

They also spent 35 million on a campaign to advertise the redesign (also ran by the Arnell Group)

https://www.thebrandingjournal.com/2015/05/what-to-learn-fro...



"Grandfather, which side of the Helvetica Light wars were you on?"

"Oh, my boy, I fought with the Arial Resistance Corps."


A comment I made when I started noticing the magenta gradient at the end of the progress bar: it's a bit anxiety-inducing for those who remember needing to degauss their monitors, because it looks almost exactly like when you mess up a CRT with a magnet.

(Aside from that: not a fan, it makes the chrome of the video player more distracting.)


I know I sound silly and dumb for feeling so strongly about something so small, but the gradient really gets on my nerves. It is indeed so subtle as to make it feel like something is wrong with the display, but not subtle enough that I don't notice it _every time_.

Similarly, the "glow" they introduced a while back makes it feel like I'm getting the worlds worst backlight bleed.

Mercifully I use FreeTube to watch YouTube which saves me from these design choices.


That glow I think you're referring to is "theater mode" and fortunately it can be disabled on the gear menu. It's incredibly distracting, especially in Firefox it can sometimes be laggy.

> so subtle as to make it feel like something is wrong

Nailed it. At first, I thought my eyes were going bad. Or the monitor?


Oh, thankyou for finally naming it. I've had a vague sense of anxiety for months seeing that gradient - like something is wrong and I need to fix it somehow. I just had no idea why I felt that way until I read your comment just now.

My school had a malfunctioning CRT back in the day and seeing the rainbow gave me joy as a kid. I always picked that computer! So no anxiety for me.

This is exactly what it feels like. "Oops, pushed my speaker too near my screen again."

I absolutely hate the gradient on the progress bar. When a video is full screened I'm no longer able to tell at a glance how far along the progress bar is because the gradient and the grey segment for buffering all fades together. This is so simple to not mess up. It worked before. Why did you change it??

some product manager promo packet, thats why

"Show me the incentives and I'll show you the outcome"

I added this to my userstyle CSS for YouTube:

  /* Remove pink tint from end of progress bar */
  .ytp-play-progress.ytp-swatch-background-color,
  .style-scope.ytd-thumbnail-overlay-resume-playback-renderer,
  .ytp-scrubber-button.ytp-swatch-background-color {
      background: var(--yt-spec-static-brand-red) !important;
  }
Only does the video progress bar, but I might extend it to the handful of other things that use the gradient.

I agree. It's not even "change for the sake of changing". This is "worsening a product for the sake of my own promotion" (or for justifying my role).

On the one hand, this seems like a completely nonsensical, pointless change for the sake of change that has no tangible effect on UX.

On the other, something about the particular gradient used makes me deeply uncomfortable. Just obvious enough to catch your eye, but indistinct enough to make you feel like something's wrong with your eyes.

A change that accomplishes nothing and a change that degrades the experience are in theory mutually exclusive, yet somehow this feels like both.


> On the other, something about the particular gradient used makes me deeply uncomfortable. Just obvious enough to catch your eye, but indistinct enough to make you feel like something's wrong with your eyes.

Same; I personally find that bit of magenta very aggravating. If I had to try and articulate a logical explanation, it might be that if a cheap red pigment were printed in "analog" then it might easily "fade" to something pinkish. I know very little about "design" but I feel like red and magenta don't at all look pleasing together, and when they occur together my mind interprets some defect in the display mechanism and that subtly triggers anxiety and adds tension in my jaw. It's like I instinctively want to "rub the defect" off my screen, and it's aggravating that I cannot.


I literally can’t read this blog post because it keeps jumping to the top of the page to play the video again and again.

Maybe take 10% of the time you spent dreaming up new colors to just make your blog function like a regular page instead of adding a million weird animations?


Same here. It took six designers to change the color of the YouTube logo, but the design department of a company that built its entire existence on the web can’t build a functioning website.

Design is how it works. And your website doesn’t work.


I could have sworn design used to be about how something was used and not just about how pretty and cute it looked.

They're professional designers, not HTML code monkeys, you insensitive clod!

Seriously, there are designers whose entire work output is PDFs or, more recently, stuff in L^HFigma, which lesser beings (read: developers) are expected to turn into functional HTML.


Did no one at Google read this blog post on an iPhone before publishing?

That tracks.

[flagged]


Nah. Every other website on the internet can figure out how to overcome those allegedly insurmountable challenges, so how about I continue using Safari and they do the same.

Perhaps spend less time worrying about changing the color of the YouTube logo for no tangible reason.


It's a blog post not the dashboard of starship enterprise.

I don't know if your comment is satire.

Same problem, Safari / iOS - pausing the video at the top and then scrolling seems to resolve

Edit: Nevermind, seems related to how far you scroll. Scrolling further got me past the first few paragraphs that kept jumping back. Ugh


And halfway down the page background becomes bright pink for me??

Same experience- crazy. Had to use reader mode- except it doesn't have the full post afaict.

Same. Probably they just laid off their UX guy.

> How did you keep the change from feeling overwhelming?

They’re really taking the piss. They changed the red imperceptibly and added a gradient that makes it look like a pamphlet that got discoloured from being in the sun too long.

Had I been on part of this change, I’d have been embarrassed of lending my name to this post and would have vehemently asked to be excluded. The fact they published it shows a lack of self-awareness and only makes graphic designers look like professional bullshitters. Add some random circles while you’re at it, go full Pepsi/Yahoo.


Reminds me of the infamous Pepsi logo redesign:

https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell...


And then “fat man” came out and that’s all I ever thought of when I saw the logo. https://www.suckatlife.com/pepsiLogoBlowatlife.html

This is amazing. I wonder how much that document cost to produce.

The "Gravitational Pull of Pepsi" blew my mind.


That's insane. How did this ever get approved?

The gravitational pull of the Pepsi Universe drew them to it.

Thanks for the flashback!

I forget when this was first leaked, but over the years, this has become my go-to example for premium artisanal marketing bullshit.


It was leaked in 2009 in this Reddit comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7w0i2/comment/c07k9l...

I'd seen that before and thought it was simply an exquisite parody.

TIL SMH WTAF


I still believe it's a high effort parody and have never been able to find proof otherwise, but I guess most people stop caring about truth if something is entertaining

These designers are grasping hard to justify their existence. Second part of the article harps on the importance of contrast yet the background is so overtly salmon it's almost impossible to read.

Am I right that this article nowhere compares against the current red or even has anything with the current red in it, anywhere?

Is that a policy choice there? They don't want to.. not be future looking or something? I don't really get why. It made the article frustrating to read


Ha! My first reaction from this article is that someone is up for the next promotion cycle.

Come on, it was a team effort. It took at least six designers to come up with that new color.

This is the peak of artisanal design. Something that us, uncultured swine, are obviously unable to fully appreciate.

Same. The gradient is ugly and unnecessary IMO. Looks like discoloration, especially in the progress bar. But hey, if the promo committee likes it, what's a couple billion users between friends?

Haha, that reminded me of https://thehaplesshap.com/docs/case_8/

Brilliant! Thanks for sharing.

A bit off topic, but I noticed get this weird feeling when my cursor changes style. Something between a "let go of [free] my cursor" and "I wonder what secondary state I accidentally activated". It creates a weird sense of distress. Might just be me.

Though I did find it cool how it inverts the underlying thing. I thought it was a text-clipping type css property but it seems to invert media too? Any ideas how thats done?


It's a div with a white background and mix-blend-mode: exclusion

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/mix-blend-m...

And yes I hate the cursor being messed with for no good reason. It also creates accessibility issues


YouTube is such a horribly designed site. The best feature they've added in ages is the queue option, bet even that is busted as hell. Half the time an "add to queue" button appears on the thumbnail of the video, but the other half of the time it doesn't and you have to click the ellipsis menu. Even when you can click the button, it will select element of the page which leaves the video auto playing unless you hover back over it to stop. The queue itself disappears if you close and re-open the tab which is plain annoying. The video player itself sometimes breaks and requires me to reload the page. Ambient mode is annoying and I dislike it being on by default. Sometimes I click on a thumbnail but it has an on-hover action that spawn a link to their "about sponsored content" page right over the thumbnail where I wanted to click on the video, then when I hit the back button the home page has refreshed and the video I wanted to watch is gone.

What a colossal waste of time. The gradient on the progress bar made me think my tv had broken at first

Hey now, I am actually sick to death of flat material design and am happy to see gradients making a comeback.

On Mobile Safari the page scrolls up to the top every few seconds. Adds a novel bit of interactivity to the article.

It's "design" baby.

This is incredibly aggravating, and I cannot read the article. It scrolls, even if I’m holding my finger on the page.

To make matters worse for some optimizing reason or another reader isn’t able to capture the whole page text


Even if you pause the video it still jumps! What an ironic page to have this issue on.

For the longest time I thought being an artist rarely paid. now, it seems that all you have to do is work for a tech company and market your "innovative" re-designs to the right people and you'll get paid big bucks for what amounts to little work.

I’ve never met an artist who would prefer to make money by making a mockery of their art. Only people who are already dead inside do this (which, admittedly, some in poverty are).

I sense that, albeit slowly, big companies are moving back to more complicated skeuomorphic-like designs.

Here YouTube’s adding a (very subtle) gradient. Better examples may be: compare the newest macOS icons to those from the Sierra (?); and the new Reddit logo has a slight 3D effect, while I remember the old one was flat.

Allegedly styles and fashion go in cycles, so maybe minimalism is going out of fashion. I doubt we’ll get old YouTube or OS X Snow Leopard, but we’ll get something different.


I think this is the thesis, antithesis, synthesis cycle:

Thesis = full skeumorphic 2005 YouTube logo

Antithesis = flat 2015 YouTube logo

Synthesis = "Material" design. Light 3D effects.


PC GPU architecture has special handling for cursors to ensure there is as little latency as possible. GPU's have a special buffer and position register for the cursor.

But for design.google they hijack the cursor rendering and this low latency goes out the window. First it's annoying that my expected cursor is replaced by some weird circle. But then that it's a laggy circle takes the cake. On a design website too. My computer has special optimizations to avoid cursor lag and your website broke them.

And screw low vision users who need a larger cursor to see where it is.

It also means you don't get the I bar when hovering over text making precisely copying text really annoying.

When there is such an immediate design issue with your design website it kinda takes away from the message.


I watched the Steve Jobs interview when he described Windows as pedestrian. This blog can be described as ”high browery”.

How to say you’re a monopoly without saying you are a monopoly, “Our refresh journey began by pinpointing YouTube’s most outdated elements through research. Color ranked in the top three, so we knew that evolving our palette would make an immediate and significant impact.”

Sorry, how exactly is that implying a monopoly? They're talking about the color palette... If anything this just means YouTube is relatively "finished" software.

Of course i don't disagree that they are in fact a monopoly. I just don't think this post about colors is somehow a dog whistle for it.


They can afford to allocate resources towards several six figure a year employees working on research showing that one of their top three most outdated elements are the color of their logo and then replacing pure red with some other shade of red.

Look at that new shade of red. The tasteful vibrancy of it. Oh my God...it even has a gradient.

We see your American Psycho reference and are pleased.

> You’ll hear from six people who helped spin the color wheel:

Maybe I'm being a bit mean to UI/UX in general, but does it really take 6 people to decide a slightly different shade of red ?

I do appreciate good UI and UX but sometimes it does seem some of them are just trying to justify spending so much time and money on these (to me at least) banal things..


The article keeps snapping back to the top as I scroll. (iOS safari, latest version.)

Why does anyone ever implement JavaScript that tries to mess with your scroll position? Like, ever? Can we stop this madness?


I don't mind continuous redesigns or small tweaks. I like it when products and apps I use subtly but constantly change. Form and function are one, it's not form over function if it's done well.

But for YouTube I wish they realized that the majority of the design visitors experience is in the user created content. And they should start policing it. A good first step would be to stop having user selected thumbnails. Video titles should be under the thumbnail, not word-art added on by the creator. Then the video thumbnail itself should be just be a calm still image representation of the video. A video having a thumbnail with a person having an extreme facial expression overlaid with enormous neon text should just be throttled to get 0 views by hiding it from view.


That will never, ever happen, calm thumbnails lose them profit, but you'd like DeArrow https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dearrow/

Depends on how many people just refuse to ever click such a video on principle, or never start a youtube subscription so long as the thumbnails are like that. All you need to wait for is for that group to be bigger than the group of people who mindlessly click the sensational ones. I'm holding my breath until it happens.

YT's user interface has been user hostile for over a decade.

The secret to sanity is to never use YT's interface to consume YT content.


I self-host invidious but in the last few months it has been struggling (slow buffering, often doesn't load saying media not recognized, etc, which I understand is YT being actively hostile). Any better options, or am I "holding it wrong"?

YouTube has been really cracking down on alt clients and YouTube downloaders lately I think.

I don’t even use one, and I see “you must log in to view this video” on videos shockingly frequently if I’m not logged in. Not even age restricted videos, they give that on any video at random now.

I wouldn’t be surprised if soon it will require an account to watch at all, and they will just get to ban any accounts that use Adblock or download anything.


It's insane how one of the biggest sites on the internet gets a redesign every few years that makes no sense

This really makes my layoff feel worth it in the end.

Market response:

Searching: <https://github.com/iv-org/invidious>

Playing: <https://mpv.io/>

Also, For Anyone's Info, black-on-red is impossible to read on monochrome displays. As with e-ink. Lesson learned as an anti-copy tactic for uni note-taking services, back in the day.

(Possibly not YouTube's core demographic, but a blog post shouldn't do that.)


The page's background turns to fairly unpleasant pink once you scroll past the middle point. Is that the norm for design.google blog posts or is it some kind of subtle messaging about the new gradient?

Also the replacement of the mouse cursor with that negative-color circle is visually interesting, but it suffers a lot from input lag which gets on my nerves.


> six people who helped spin the color wheel

Oh. So this is what working at a big company would be like.


Before they worry about color, they should worry about typographic principles. The rag on the headings and line length on paragraphs screams "we haven't done this before." Haunting that this is the work of six people (all being paid extraordinarily well, I'd imagine).

I'm just glad they aren't making yet another 4-main-color ambiguous app icon to confuse with every other Google app.

Make it windows 95 grey for all I care, just , for the love of whatever is sacred, improve the DOM to make it run smooth... I'm sure it is done to discourage you from using a browser and prefer their stupid app.

Seems like the designers are trying to justify the utterly useless busy-work they've done here. That gradient is horrendous.

This is a manifestation of Google drowning in excess headcount and unable to innovate because of endless fake make-work nonsense, where a team of highly compensated designers make the site less usable (gradient on the progress bar? Really?) and make changes for the sake of change, just to make it look like they are doing something.

Good thing is that at least they don't dare to change it to four colour one like the rest of Google product.

Not the most ridiculous design update description I've read, but still tough to get through the whole page.

What's the idea behind changing the cursor on desktop to a circular tap indicator?


Messing with the cursor like that feels so amazingly invasive and it makes using the page significantly more difficult. Is the point on the round cursor in the upper left? middle? who knows!

You don't have to worry about that because it very conveniently snaps to the click targets that you move it near. /s

Here is a tampermonkey script to disable the youtube progress bar gradient:

https://pastebin.com/WQATnsBU


I just added this to my userstyle CSS for YouTube:

  /* Remove pink tint from end of progress bar */
  .ytp-play-progress.ytp-swatch-background-color,
  .style-scope.ytd-thumbnail-overlay-resume-playback-renderer,
  .ytp-scrubber-button.ytp-swatch-background-color {
      background: var(--yt-spec-static-brand-red) !important;
  }

No mention that the YouTube logo had a gradient in 2011.

And the yt player also probably worked a lot better in Firefox in 2011. They should've fixed that instead for yt's 20th birthday.

Good thing I use Invidious instead.

It's a testament to its UX insanity that so many alternatives: FreeTube (Invidious), YT-DLP, and entire ecosystems of Selenium scrapers exist.

I try not to be one of those people who resist any/all change just because it's change, but the gradient on the progress bar bothers me so much.

3 times the page just scrolled to the top. Doesn’t seem like the UX team at google really knows anything about user experience but gradient colors keeps things fresh!

People do love trumping up what they have done. Developers feeling their project was absolutely essential when it might be more about NIH. But are any categories of people more used to trumping up their pointless work so high that any reasonable person would be too shameful to attach their name to the narrative? I guess PR people and politicians can compete with them or even take the first two places.

This doesn't take away from what wondrous thing a designer can achieve. It's an enormously difficult thing to design something that's functional and pleasing and in some cases provide a mood (calm, fast, serious). This sort of bullshit from what I imagine uber expensive designs rebranding major corporations simply highlights the value and rarity of a good designer.

I'm curious were they ever serious about their craft? Or the pursuit of promotion and glory took away their original ethos or they drunk the cool aid so much that they actually believe what they are saying?


I cover design. Talking about design this way gives designers a bad rep. Understandably so.

This, staples "rebranding", openai's font change...

Is there really any benefit in these small changes? Certainly a good laugh out of it!


Amazing. Yet another overly specialized mobile website. Can't read the article because every few seconds it just scrolls back to the top.

I miss the days of html and little js.

CssZenGarden always had it right. That's where I learned early modern css during that transition from web1 to 2.

Whatever it's a new thing from Google that will make it more difficult to use whatever their product is.

Just disregard that millions of people know how to use things as-is, but to justify their jobs people need to change things that are working ok, instead of trying to do minor changes to improve the experience for the people on the edge.


I love pages that scrolls to the top each three seconds!

Great read but the auto scroll to the top of site while I’m reading is super annoying

This looks like it was a colossal waste of time.

Well I just want to say thanks to Robyn, Amy, Jessie, Linda, David, and Tom for these changes. In retrospect they probably played a big part in keeping me on YouTube watching videos. Money well spent!

POS page won’t render properly on safari, keeps bouncing me to the top and I cannot dismiss some illegible overlay

It's pink.

Beginning of the end?

Is this satire?

Ah yes, the definition of Bikeshedding

Now it looks like Tinder.

So YouTube has come full circle.

Six well-paid Google designers trumpeting a new…gradient.

Maybe I’m too curmudgeonly for my own good, but that is quite underwhelming.


The least they could do is write up something as unhinged as that old Pepsi design strategy document.

https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/pepsi-arnell...


Thats amazing. Its in the uncanny valley where I can't tell if they're serious or if they're having a laugh.

It immediately makes me think of the song "Redesign Your Logo" by Lemon Demon. Pure comedy.


That song is directly inspired by the Pepsi nonsense; the lyrics and backing video [1] have some direct quotes. Definitely the first thing that comes to mind each time a multi-billion company decides to change their logo and nobody likes it.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu3ETgAvQrw


It recalls to mind Don Quixote. Is it madness or genius? In the case of great art; who can rightly say.

It is clear they worked hard for their salary.


(i think it was also released as a joke, then everyone took it seriously)

I feel the same way when my AWS console asked me to take survey on the EC2 console. I replied that I don't know which version I was meant to comment on since it changes every other week, and that I hope someone gets there performance bonus. My favorite question was "it feels modern". Like just leave the damn thing alone. Rather than worrying about useless small tweaks like a gradient, make sure the core features of the product work.

I hugely disagree on "leave the thing alone."

A whole lot of nooks and crannies of the AWS console are missing major convenience UI features, and usually when a console is redesigned it solves some reasonably major pain points.


there's a chasm of difference between fixing something that's broken and redesigning. the vast majority of people will not recognize a slight shift in hue of YT Red or YT Magenta gradient, and of those that do most won't care or have their lives made better or have an improved world from it.

After reading this, I feel like Arthur Dent having an unshakable sense of the color magenta level of snark.


There's a lot that goes that you don't notice, or that you easily forget about when you make a comment like this.

The introduction of a gradient and accent actually enables and makes it more natural to use more eye-catching effects on the platform. For example, when a YTer says "subscribe", a rainbow (IIRC) animation plays on the subscribe button. When you like or subscribe, an animation plays that now has more color to it. These animations feel satisfying and I dare say have measurable impact.

At the same time, the changes are so subtle that users hardly notice a change that they will have difficulty getting used to, and also already present components do not look out of place if they don't get refreshed.

That is what an experienced design team is paid to do. Complaining about seeing no drastic change here is like complaining about engineers making no user-facing effect when they refactor the underlying systems in preparation for future developments.


What’s frustrating about tech industry is that they are probably getting paid multiple hundred thousands of dollars for this. Meanwhile I know of engineers at Google who are being managed out for “performance reasons” after being gaslighted into working 60+ hour work weeks.

Ultimately, average engineers are not a valuable resource they can be replaced within hours.

Even a few actual good design talents is going to have a much bigger impact on product success than an entire room of average engineers who’s skill tops out at react spaghetti.


Clear sign of a bloated corp.

This kind of decision is also probably easily bike shedded.

I often think about how much more cost effective some companies' products would be if they would decide their product is "done" and that they accepted moving on into a cash cow type of phase.

There are major websites and web-based products like Craigslist, Wikipedia, and Steam that are handling insane Internet traffic with comparatively tiny levels of staffing when compared to YouTube or other giants.

I think those companies have accepted that there is no rush to make major innovations or changes and that hiring a large army of talent is far less cost effective than having teams that are small enough for everyone to know each other.


> There are major websites and web-based products like Craigslist, Wikipedia, and Steam that are handling insane Internet traffic with comparatively tiny levels of staffing

Hacker News. (Not "planet scale", but very impressive traffic/staffing ratio.)


> Linda: We want YouTube to be a welcoming space for our broad user base regardless of demographic, so we stayed away from colors that felt domineering, cold, or corporate.

She's making hundreds of thousands of dollars, while most intelligent, honest, hard working people will never have any chance of owning a home or starting a family. That's all I could think of when reading this.


You'll never guess how Hacker News feels about an article on design

It’s not even the content of the article. We can’t read the article because the page keeps jumping back to the top. In no world is this defensible.

There's a big opportunity to build apolitical uncensored clone of YouTube. Current alternatives lack funding and don't function well

1. Off-topic

2. There isn't a big opportunity really. The current alternatives are reflective of that lack of opportunity.


I agree. The subscription model is actually pretty decent at allowing you to find stuff from the creators you care about without having a ton of algorithmic "for you" content shoved in your face.

Yes, obviously YouTube does still wield enormous power over what shows up on the home page and in the "watch next" queue, but it's still overall far less invasive than the tiktok/reels/shorts model, and gives me way less cause for anxiety about the political motivations of whoever is pulling the strings on that algorithm behind the scenes.


Non-sequitur aside, what specifically do you want to post on YouTube that's not allowed? To me it seems like you have to go pretty far off the rails before they'll step in.

Major television news media have been globally banned from YouTube due to war.

Free debate on covid-19 and the vaccines were suppressed and banned on YouTube. Maybe still is, I don't follow that.

Those are probably the biggest censorship issues with YouTube. And more are probably to come, as the world spins around.


The down votes are kind of telling. There exists no censorship and anybody who says anything to the contrary has to be censored? If people don't like the answer, they should probably not ask the question.

Now you know why everybody loves the great leader. Because they make sure that the people who don't love him disappear.


Ah yes, YouTube, famously devoid of Covid-19 misinformation.

I'll bite;

- When I search for recent news e.g. "australian medical staff jewish" (current topic), all the results are left leaning responses. I would mostly prefer to see the original video without commentary and uncut, and also would like to see more right wing responses. (A lot of issues over the years that were right leaning would just surface late night comedians mocking the right wings perspective on such issues)

- Looking up medical or scientific claims that are "indisputable" e.g. climate change, covid. I was curious to see Kari Mullis speak about his claims around hiv/aids correlation but only one or two videos exist, I had to go to the alt-youtubes to find speeches and lectures he did.


For the first example: that’s not censorship? It’s just a bad algorithm. Also, I don’t even know what “left-leaning” means in this context; the top result is from the Australian national broadcaster, and seems pretty straightforward. No one thinks nurses murdering Israelis is a good thing.

For the second example: Mullis is literally insane, and you can still find his opinions on YouTube, as you yourself found. Did you try uploading those lectures you found yourself? I’ll bet money that they won’t be take down (except maybe for copyright).

To be a little less charitable: this is a persecution fantasy. The right wing is not being silenced by YouTube.


How is that related to a new YouTube design?

Youtube is probably the most reasonable of the social media websites now. Well it was until Twitter was fixed by Mr Musk, anyway.

People have been allowed to post crazy nonsense on YouTube for many years. For a short period they censored quite heavily (2020-2023ish) but theyve backed off. It has never been as bad as Twitter or Facebook were where milquetoast 2008 Obama would have been banned ten times over.


> We change the product constantly — we’re talking over 1,700 updates per year!

Good job, the new red is a huge improvement.

Meanwhile the YouTube comment sections are still getting pummeled by bots, trying to scam viewers with fake crypto offerings (90%+ involving an "Elon Musk giveaway") or writing entire threads praising the great investment returns from a genius trader named "Mr Definitely A. RealName" who operates only on WhatsApp.

Take a look at the comments under this video for example, all the references to AMZ6OP are for a scam crypto token that they pretend is being launched by Amazon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRd_wNHJG4o.

I'm having doubts even reposting this link… please do not believe for a second that any of these claims are real.

I guess changing red to red-ish magenta was apparently more important than addressing the widespread issues that have been plaguing YouTube for years.


>I guess changing red to red-ish magenta was apparently more important than addressing the widespread issues that have been plaguing YouTube for years.

I have a suspicion that the color and design folks are not the same people in charge of comment section spam/bots.


Seems off topic. Do you actually think these designers have anything to do with spam detection?

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRd_wNHJG4o

It's somehow substantially less surprising to me that a video deep dive on cryptocurrency has these comments. Youtube should address it, but to a degree it's very much expected/comes with the territory.

I don't follow cryptocurrency on YouTube (and in fact I made sure to "not interested" the link you posted, no offense). Anyway, I don't follow crypto and as such haven't had the issue you described.

YouTube comments have been and always will be a cesspool. You should consider yourself luck that they actually improved quite a lot (at least in terms of toxicity and "stupidity") when the thumbs down button was nerfed.




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