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Eh.. just charge people more money to use Uber. Yeah they would lose a lot of regular riders but will those people really go back to using cabs? Uber could double their prices and I would still use them over taxis 9/10 times.


Where I live, Uber managed to force taxi services to evolve and embrace technology like mobile apps and GPS and flat estimates. And now the local taxi is much better than Uber, in my opinion.

I'm not sure what the free market textbook says about this but as a consumer it's a huge win.


Where do you live? This seems like an anomaly.


Same. To get a gift certificate for a local taxi company I had to drive to their local office and use an atm to pay with cash


I forget the name of the company but four years ago, I was offered an interview at a taxi company to help make an app for hailing rides.

The job was in SF but they operated all over the US.


Flywheel?


I have seen similar things happening in a lot of countries outside of US. So maybe not as anomalous as you think


In various cities of Poland, the transformation was already halfway done before Uber. The main thing missing was an app, but arguably it would've happened without Uber.


There's an interesting market emerging providing solutions for mobile-first Uber-like services covering all three sides of the transaction: order taker/business, the agent, and the customer all get mobile apps to track in real time their service/good being delivered.

I came across it while talking with a bar fly at my neighborhood pub who owns and operates a freight brokerage, he's been getting sales calls from such companies and is about to make a switch to some platform that has fewer features than the one he uses now, but apparently has exactly the ones he needs (or as he put it "I can get by") and for cheaper.


The textbook has nothing to say: Competition is never a bad thing in cases like this.


Every time I ride a cab I think never again. For some reason I decide to give them a chance again and regret it.

My last experience consisted of a driver who seemed jacked on coke or speed or maybe just nuts driving very badly and then (as usual for cabs) pretending the card system didn't work to pressure me into going out of my way to get cash.

Prior to that there was a cab that smelled bad with a broken door that caused the door ajar indicator to beep for the entire trip. This driver also pretended the card system didn't work.

City is Los Angeles but I have had similarly bad experiences in SF and Dallas in recent years. In Dallas I had one whose driver smelled like sasquatch and was obviously taking me the long way. In SF my driver helpfully introduced me to QAnon.

I've had marginal Ubers and Lyfts but none have been as bad as the average licensed taxi.


If Lyft and Uber both raise their prices by say 50% around the same time. And they can get away with however that would be achieved then yeah I agree with you completely.

They’d def lose riders. But not close to 50% of rides. Not even half that. For myself, I’d ride a bit less. Probably not do 1 in 4 rides I’d normally do. But when I need a ride back from the train station or I’m late to something and public transit will take too long. I’m not gonna take a cab. I’m going to still use them.

They could also both increase or add loyalty programs. Uber’s currently is pretty crappy as a casual rider. Im guessing doubling the loyalty program payouts wouldn’t cut into the 50% increase too much but could stop some of the ridership decrease bleeding.


> If Lyft and Uber both raise their prices by say 50% around the same time.

And there's the rub. They're playing investor-bonfire chicken.

More strictly: it's prisoner's dilemma. Defection is the dominant strategy.


No, it is the iterated prisoners dilemma. Tit-for-tat increases can result in a price climb.


True, but their current strategy is to maximise market share.

That said, it would be interesting to see what their respective price charts look like over time. A typical strategy for signalling not-technically-a-cartel price rises is to announce price raise well in advance. If the others don't match, you quietly drop it.


to lose money on a 50% price raise they'd only need to lose more than 33% of rides (not customers), and least with a very naive calculation, a lot depends on their per ride and fixed overheads.


Why do people dislike taxis so much? I’ve never had a bad experience, though I always avoided them to save money. Am I just sheltered where I live?

Same with hotels and airbnb


Half the time in New York you get a cab with their meter off when you call Uber.


I use taxis in Manhattan over Uber due to them being even more on demand and convenient, for the same price


What?! I live in NYC, have taken dozens of Ubers/Lyfts to a variety of places, and have literally never once seen this.


I've never had it happen to me, but I see the taxis driving around with the Uber and Lyft signs in their window.


Happened to us in Brooklyn just last weekend.


How many times have you taken Uber and how many times has it been a yellow cab?


I've never once gotten a taxi when using Uber in Manhattan. Do you know what the TLC's stance on this is? Does it endanger their medallion?




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