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Microsoft now puts ads in Windows 10 File Explorer (extremetech.com)
71 points by callumlocke on March 9, 2017 | hide | past | favorite | 24 comments



I think Microsoft may be wildly underestimating the amount of goodwill this sort of thing costs them. Windows has been steadily losing ground to OS X, Linux, iOS and Android, and a big part of that is its reputation for being the platform stuffed with ads in places they don't belong. (Because of malware and OEM crapware, mostly). What happens if you're an OS X user considering switching back, and you look over someone's shoulder and see these ads? You conclude that Windows hasn't escaped its terrible past.


You forgot ChromeOS taking from MS. Grew over 35% last year while Windows and OS X bith declined.


It's easy to grow 35% when it just means selling a few more units...


While that's true, Chromebooks are indeed outselling Macs...


Why wouldn't they? They go for as low as $199 or lower.

It's not really the part of the PC market Apple was interested in ever.


The thing that amazes me about decisions like this is how, well, chintzy they are. It's brand sabotage on a really deeply profound level.

I mean, on one hand you have Microsoft pushing really, really hard to be taken seriously as a vendor of premium, Apple-level products. Their Surface machines are slick and innovative. Windows 10 is more attractive to developers than any Windows in maybe 20 years. Azure has gone from a punchline to a solid, well-regarded competitor to AWS.

And then they sabotage all that with cheap, cheap, cheap decisions like forcing ads into the file browser. Ads! Right in the middle of a product they've been strenuously trying to position as high-end and premium and luxurious, they slap something straight out of the playbook of NetZero, the 1990s free ISP that was pitched at people too broke to afford AOL.

There was nothing premium about the NetZero experience, nothing high-end. It felt cheap because it was cheap. It was cheap crap aimed at people who couldn't afford anything better. And that's fine! But it's a long way from what Microsoft desperately wants people to think Windows 10 is. They're willing to pull the rug out from under all those years of engineering effort and marketing wizardry, just to squeeze a few more pennies into another product's quarterly revenue numbers. Talk about penny wise and pound foolish.

I guess there's still some truth in Steve Jobs' famous 1995 statement that "the only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJWWtV1w5fw)


I saw this exact ad for the first time this morning. I'm not one to be offended by ads but this one did irk me a little - I'm running 10 Pro which I paid $100 for, I shouldn't see ads in a paid product.


Someone on reddit posted that this happens in Enterprise also, which is beyond absurd if true...


Just wondering. Did you buy windows 10 pro disk and install from that, or did you upgrade from Windows store from a free upgrade of 10?


Just because it was free upgrade, it does not mean, that it was OS for free.

You needed a licensed Windows 7 or 8 in order to upgrade; that one costs money too. You weren't able to get entirely free upgrade. It was more of exchange.


not justifying it. Just was wondering if it was an upgrade to pro.


I bought it through the Window's store after I bought one of the first Dell XPS 15 Windows 10 models. The only reason I needed pro was to enable HyperV to use with Vagrant.


Same here. Started off with home, upgraded to pro and I get the add too. I'm wondering if people that started off with pro get the message.

Again, not justifying the add- but I wouldn't be surprised if its because our accounts were at one time linked to home.


>It’s odd that Microsoft has suddenly become so enamored with ads in Windows 10.

I told a colleague 18 months ago that I didn't want to move to Windows 10 because I didn't want advertising in my operating system. He insisted Microsoft would never do that, and I snorted at him.

Microsoft has been very clear and transparent about their goals with windows 10. It exists to push their other products. The app store is one of them, but of course onedrive and office365 are others. This isn't microsoft being suddenly enamored with ads, it's them closing the jaws of the trap.


Yeah, I wish there was another operating system. Mac is tied to expensive hardware and I just can't get myself to like the overall UX of Linux


>I just can't get myself to like the overall UX of Linux

There's at least four mainstream UX's to choose from and a few dozen small ones if you feel adventuresome. What desktops have you tried?


It's not as much the look of the desktop as it is a bunch of little things about the OS. The command line stuff is nice but not useful unless I'm programming, I've found lots of stuff concerning configuration to be a little obtuse (knowing what's what in a configuration file takes some time), worrying about drivers isn't fun, and many common programs aren't on Linux and if they have an alternative it often isn't as good. Those are just a few reasons off the top of my head so don't take them as exhaustive or as authoritative but just a random opinion. I use Linux for programming and it's nice but for day to day use it suffers some problems for me (largely because of low adoption of the general desktop market I think).


> many common programs aren't on Linux and if they have an alternative it often isn't as good.

What programs is that? In my experience, unless you are using a bunch of specialized proprietary apps on Windows almost everything open source is on Linux and is better implemented.


This is not new, search /r/windows10 for "ads".

https://imgur.com/a/gNiqC


I wonder if the person writing the article is using the Fast Insider Build of 10.

I've have cases where due to a bug a setting that showed "tips" I disabled was accidentally ignored (it was fixed in the next build) and had the tooltip "why not try Edge?" pop after a year or so of using 10. I first I was raging with people in discord about Microsoft and Ads. But after a coffee I clamed down and I checked on line to see which option might of got flipped, found the flag and remembered I had set it long ago (and that's why I had never seen that tooltip before), checked the feedback tool and saw reports from others that the flag was being ignored for some reason and MS promptly fixed it.

Personally I enabled Fast Builds when Bash/WSL went live but I disabled them when an update conflicted with Overwatch so I'm no longer getting the Fast build. Just wondering if this person is having something similar where they disabled all the "suggestions" only to have one creep back in due to a bug?

Edit: Reading the comments seems like the person writing the article was the person who got the notice.

It's not a get out for MS. All these suggestions make it hard to suggest W10 to people as I have to give it with the caveat "as along as you turn off all the bullshit". It's a shame because with a little fine tuning W10 is a decent OS.


Great. So now to join the Diagnostic Service in waste of precious battery life and memory, as well as polluting the view.

For crying out loud, make an ad-free, spy-free expensive edition if you're that strapped for money! Just do not make it $1000 Enterprise version.


Apparently these ads appear in the enterprise edition as well.


Even more reason to use an Explorer replacement like Directory Opus. I stopped using Explorer when they ruined it beyond all hope in Windows Vista.

Not affiliated with GPSoftware at all, just a happy long-time user.

The irony of me advertising it isn't lost on me, however.


Even more justification for my recent switch to linux. My only regret is using Windows for the last ~5 years.




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