Can it be that we are just getting old? The new generation will have their brains wired to ignore ads, will be ok with devices spying on them (it will be called something else).
And we will be something like that grandpa that can't unblock the mobile phone. (for example, use that new blockchain smart contract to open the fridge and order some food NFTs)
Societies and culture go in wrong directions frequently. The older you grow, the more experience and knowledge you have to recognize bad trends, anticonsumer practices, and outright abusive behaviors. While some of getting old for many is turning into a creature of habit fighting off any and all change, for many it's rejecting what is identified as bad/harmful change or change that exists for no apparent reason.
Not all old people are luddites or simply too inept to deal with change, sometimes they make conscious decisions to reject a given change yet are forced by the rest of society on occasion to deal with it. New technologies need to clarify the tradeoffs that exist and what the real value add is beyond marketing propoganda.
Many are obsessed with social media and smart devices all over their home (regardless of age). Meanwhile, people who frequent this site are largely technologists who are very tech savvy, sometimes the people creating these very systems, and many of them actively reject such technology and systems because they know exactly how harmful things can be. It's not because they're old, it's because they're informed.
More and more business practices are losing their alignment with society and pulling more value than they create and people simply don't want to deal with it. I applaud markets actually functioning healthily and rejecting abusive practices. This DRM may exist for a lot of good reasons, refillability simply may be impractical after skimming over the writeup for some. Meanwhile you have systems like DRM on KCups coffee makers that are completely ludicrous.
I remember my grandfather in Vegas lamenting that allowing people to wear trashy street clothes or anything less than formal wear / suit and tie into the casinos, or on airplanes, would lead to more and more bad behavior. This seemed incredibly uncool and old-fashioned at the time, but it turns out he was right. Decades of increasingly lax social codes around how people present themselves in public have led to generations of people who don't know how to behave politely in public.
This struck me with full force when I was invited to the Magic Castle in LA, one of the last venues to require formal wear at all times. One of the most magical things about that place is how it transforms a whole range of everyday visitors who might be people you wouldn't want to hang out with at their local bar into highly civilized men and women on their tip-top behavior. Vegas and air travel both used to operate on this principle. Now we might call it "LARPing" but when it was a social norm it was called "going out".
I don't think it's my getting older that caused me to think more like my grandfather. I think time proved him right.
> I remember my grandfather in Vegas lamenting that allowing people to wear trashy street clothes or anything less than formal wear / suit and tie into the casinos, or on airplanes, would lead to more and more bad behavior. This seemed incredibly uncool and old-fashioned at the time, but it turns out he was right.
I don't agree at all. A huge amount has changed since airlines enforced formal wear - for example, I can fly to Prague/Budapest/Amsterdam for under €30 from most of Europe, and I can fly return to New York from London for less than weeks wages of minimum wage.
> This struck me with full force when I was invited to the Magic Castle in LA, one of the last venues to require formal wear at all times. One of the most magical things about that place is how it transforms a whole range of everyday visitors who might be people you wouldn't want to hang out with at their local bar into highly civilized men and women on their tip-top behavior.
What makes you think that the dress code is what made them behave, and not that they were invited by someone who put their neck out for them, or the $50 cover charge, or the $20 drinks? Anecdotally, I've seen plenty of people behaving terribly in formalwear over the years.
>> I can fly to Prague/Budapest/Amsterdam for under €30
The three flights guaranteed to have a stag party.
The common way to look at this is that flying has gotten cheaper. Another way to look at - the way the Soviets would have looked at it - is that the masses have gotten much wealthier.
So if you agree that rich people are not necessarily better-behaved than poor people, and that anyone who can afford to fly for vacation is wealthy by the standards of 40 years ago, then there's some other explanation for why people feel alright making complete asses of themselves on RyanAir. I submit that when people feel like trash, they act like trash. When they feel like they're shown respect, they act with respect. When the people around you are dressed formally it's a sign of respect for the place and for each other, which creates a circle of respectful behavior.
This is why in my grandfather's time even the poorest folks had "Sunday clothes" and acted a certain way in them. Certain activities like flying or going to a casino called for your Sunday best.
> The three flights guaranteed to have a stag party.
I deliberately picked them as textbook examples. I can fly to pretty much anywhere in Europe for under £50 return. Air travel has gotten incredibly cheap - last time I flew back to Ireland it cost me as much to get to the airport than it did to fly.
> When the people around you are dressed formally it's a sign of respect for the place and for each other, which creates a circle of respectful behavior.
And yet formalwear is often seen at parties, weddings, work holiday nights. Go to a bar in Manhattan, Vegas,LA where people are wearing dresses and suits that cost as much as my car and see the behaviour.
> This is why in my grandfather's time even the poorest folks had "Sunday clothes" and acted a certain way in them.
They behaved a certain way because of the environment they were in, not because of how they were dressed. It was, and still would be unacceptable to show up to church being loud and boisterous, and in my time attending s church(albeit it's been about 20 years) I don't ever recall seeing anyone removed or acting out other than children, despite wearing "normal" clothes.
Weddings and funerals are the only places where it's still required, and there's quite a bit of bad behavior around both. What those have in common is that no one wants to go to them. That's not the same thing as choosing to go to a place where you're intentionally participating in a social act larger than a family gathering, with people you don't know, and where you're making a statement beforehand that you're a person of standards acting on your best behavior.
For instance, since I was 25 (I'm in my 40s), I've worn a suit, tie and sometimes a vest whenever I travel internationally. Especially aboard a train. I learned this when I was a poor traveler living from hostel to hostel, and camping. You will be surprised how you're treated if you dress well. You're showing respect to the people around you.
I think you're willfully missing the point I'm making, which is that the act of putting on better-than-your-usual garments is just one part of a whole set of customs which signal behavioral ideas that society has completely chosen to forget. The problems with social media could be solved by moderating and kicking people off. The problems with casinos and airlines could be solved by rejecting people who don't take the time to look in the mirror.
Those people aren't owed a flight, a seat at a blackjack table, or a voice on a private social media platform. These problems are all of a single piece.
You have to earn a position in society by your bearing and actions and speech. No one is owed it. No one is born "noble" and no one rich is born with what we call class.
But take a man who works in a clothing factory 6 days a week, and tell him he's going to see a show in Las Vegas: The man will buy a suit. And he will keep that suit in the closet for the rest of his life and say: That's the suit I wore to the show in Las Vegas! He wants to have class.
These experiences are not supposed to be cheap. They're important and memorable precisely because they are expensive. No one learns good behavior without receiving a certain amount of social disdain for bad behavior. The rituals and clothing and the imaginary world of luxe that we clothe ourselves in is for each other's and our own benefit; this is the meaning of civilization. What we have now is a kind of barbarism, with people barely worth the air they breathe. Put a suit on the man and see if he can stand and act like a man.
Weddings and funerals are the only places where it's still required, and there's quite a bit of bad behavior around both. What those have in common is that no one wants to go to them. That's not the same thing as choosing to go to a place where you're intentionally participating in a social act larger than a family gathering, with people you don't know, and where you're making a statement beforehand that you're a person of standards acting on your best behavior.
Surely that in and of itself exactly proves _my_ point - it doesn't matter that you're forced to dress up and be respectful, the person doesn't beget the clothes. What matters is the intent that you've made a decision to go to an occasion that demands respect.
> You will be surprised how you're treated if you dress well.
Having been forced to dress up for various events over the years, I can't say I've noticed a difference in how I've been treated when dressed up vs when in my civvies. One thing I _have_ noticed is I am treated more formally - don't confuse formality for being treated well. Formality means procedure and rituals. Being treated well means care, politeness and attention to detail. If you're on an easyjet flight from London to Alicante, no amount of dressing up is going to get you any better treatment. Similarly, if you fly business class Emirates from London to Dubai, as long as you meet their dress code you'll be treated like royalty - the difference is how much you're paying.
Here's an experiment for you - go into the fanciest bar in your town, order two beers and tip the bartender $50 and see how well you're treated for the rest of the night. Speaking from experience (accidental - stupid american notes are all the same colour), you will get the service you _want_, not the service they _offer_.
> I think you're willfully missing the point I'm making, which is that the act of putting on better-than-your-usual garments is just one part of a whole set of customs which signal behavioral ideas that society has completely chosen to forget.
No, that's not what you said. You said, and I quote:
> I remember my grandfather in Vegas lamenting that allowing people to wear trashy street clothes or anything less than formal wear / suit and tie into the casinos, or on airplanes, would lead to more and more bad behavior.
That's not claiming that society has chosen to leave behind the customs associated with formal dressing, that's saying that the decision to do so has led to more and more bad behaviour. I _do_ agree that society has decided to leave behind those customs, but that in and of itself has not caused more bad behaviour. The advent of cheap air travel is almost certainly the single biggest cause of behaviour changes in air travel, and the increased individualism is (IMO) responsible for the changes in other areas - to use your magic castle example again, the reason people _behave_ there is because they have their invitee's standing to uphold. Remove that, and the magic castle becomes just like any of the other expensive bars in the area.
You're right that the Magic Castle is not about money, it's not that expensive; it's about the average Shmoe getting a night as a high roller. Being invited there is not the defining thing in someone's behavior. It's the fact that people are afforded the opportunity - incredibly rare in society now - to look and act like important people, respected people, and they don't want to mess that up. Clothing's just one part of it. You said you've been forced to dress up... well, that's not the same thing. Not the same thing at all as being excited to look your best. No one forces you to look your best when you want to make an impression.
I always tip well at bars, and I get served well. But that's not the test. The test is walking up unknown to a crowded bar and having the bartender come to you first, knowing you're going to be a good customer. It almost makes you feel the need to tip extra well. And that's what society should be about.
I don't care that flights are cheap. Great. I just want people to live up to that. I don't blame them for being maleducated, but I think they should be educated in showing some class.
>What makes you think that the dress code is what made them behave...
Well, for me, it's a lifetime (nearly) of observing how people who dress up for an occasion behave as opposed to those who don't. Churches would make for an interesting exploration in regards to this topic, some still dress, many don't. I don't think your points your other three points are invalid, though.
I didn't know that the Castle had become so expensive. I was a member for about three years in the 80's. At the time, as a blue-collar stiff, I found it quite affordable -- of course, I paid no cover charge.
While some hoped to see celebrities there, a not infrequent occurrence, I was thrilled to meet close-up magic icons like John Carney, Derek Dingle, and Dai Vernon, and to watch many other notables such as Daryl, Bruce Cervon, Eugene Burger, Paul Harris, and Earl Nelson.
One day, a couple of blocks over, at Hollywood Magic (a magic retailer) I watched Harry Anderson of Night Court fame, throwing three-card monte on the customer side of the counter while holding his three-year-old daughter in one arm as he did it -- perhaps he just stood her on the counter with his arm around her as he threw? Not sure, it's been many years. Despite, being very familiar with the sleight, I could not follow the movement of the queen any better than any mark would/could. He was about as humble as they come, and I couldn't have cared much less about his celebrity, but I sure was impressed with his technique.
> I didn't know that the Castle had become so expensive.
I've only been once as an invite, from what I recall it was ~$50 for the cover charge, we paid about ~$50 a head per meal, and spent probably another ~$100 on drinks each. It was a unique evening, I had a great time, and wouldn't take it back, but it was definitely one of the more expensive evenings I had in LA.
Any nice bar in LA is costly, but for what it is there really aren't a lot of other places on Earth like the Magic Castle. You could easily toss away the money you'd spend in a night there in 30 minutes waiting at the Bellagio to see a Cirque show.
Short take: Going to the Magic Castle is roughly equivalent to flying on the Concorde. It's an expense well worth it for an unforgettable experience.
[edit: yeah, I'm not dead, I know the Concorde isn't around anymore but that's the point]
Completely agree with this! As an aside, I was actually on a concorde plane recently, there's one at an airfield museum not too far from where I live. the thing that stands out to me is how small the interior is, compared to even a 737. It really feels quite cramped!
A lot of the time HN users just have very different priorities and tolerances. I see all the time people ranting about induction stove touch controls. I have used both gas stoves and inductions for years and the touch controls never bothered me, yes they beep and disable if you spill water on them, but you wipe it with a paper towel and move on. While cleaning a gas stove with knobs is a huge pain that impacts me so much more.
There is no objectively right opinion. It just depends on how much you are bothered by either downside.
I've justed installed 5 years' worth of Revit on my new laptop today, and with each year the UI on their installers are getting worse. On Revit 2022, some of the splash screen prompts are not resizable and not MOVABLE, ie they don't respond to alt+space for windows menu. This is not OK. On one of them, I had to answer input prompts that they rendered OFF SCREEN. I solved that by changing display resolution.. Another showed a clipped path of a missing install file, which thus couldnt be identified.. I solved that by moving the install files to c:/2/ (to get a shorter path it could display).
No, things are getting worse, today's ui is made with crayons :-/
Revit installs are the worst. Iused to freelance for an engineer and once I moved on from that it was amazing how much cruft from Autodesk was left on my machine.
I'm guessing most of it was based on anti piracy measures. I often wonder how much overlap there is between anti piracy, ani cheat, and "productivity" measuring tech.
> I often wonder how much overlap there is between anti piracy, ani cheat, and "productivity" measuring tech.
I've never heard it put this succinctly. Are the same companies doing all of these things because the expertise transfers? Do they have journals and conferences together?
It's encouraging to read that young people are starting to get a good foothold on the ground. Tech is cool and helpful but only as far as we can throw it when it breaks.
Hold on there. Ads popping up on YT are annoying but it's up to the user to decide if they are worth the content they're watching, same as TV or print or the radio. Using an Ad blocker in my view is no different than stealing.
Toss in SponsorBlock to auto skip time wasters and Unhook to hide the manipulative recommendation feed and other noise, too! Life is too short to waste it on advertisements.
Not using a piece of a service (the ads) is not stealing, nor likely is it violating any service contact.
Nope. Website sends information to my computer, my computer displays it the way I want it to be displayed. The website sending the information doesn't own my computer.
Maybe? My microwave has something like 20 buttons, I really wish it had two knobs:
- Time
- Power
Hell, print a guide on the inside of the door on how to adjust power for defrosting or whatever. I rarely ever press more than :30 button, and changing power is more annoying than it should be.
You can buy whiteware with a usable UI, but you need to go to a display room and try the models with the intent of checking usability, and then paying the premium that usually occurs. Also if possible talk to the service guys and work out what is reliable and maintainable.
I regularly hear people complain about their devices, because usability wasn’t considered due to different root causes. Some people don’t know anything about usability (not a “Senior Support Engineering Manager”), some people buy cheap, some people don’t get to choose (rent), many people don’t think to check usability, some people let their partner buy something unsuitable.
If you use a kitchen, then pay attention to what other practical friends use. Your appliances are tools you work with: spend effort to buy good tools.
I bought a Breville Quick Start microwave, chosen for combination of brand trust, price, and usability. It has a rotating power knob, a rotating timer knob, a 30 second quick start button, and a bunch of feature buttons which I don’t use hidden in the door jam. Rotate the knobs to change power or time while the microwave is running: https://www.breville.com/au/en/products/microwaves/bmo735.ht...
Discussions around microwaves are always so fascinating as it's hard to tell for instance if you just don't care at all, or if you decided to micro-manage your device temperature and mode to get tailored results no automation would provide.
As an example pre-steaming has become a well rounded feature, and it will be done as a separate phase during the pre-heating, to switch to full-blown oven mode from there. I could totally time and set it all myself, but honestly I wouldn't bother half of the time and settle for the worse result to spare my time.
Same for cycle like lower temperature fermentation -> cooking for bread dow, or auto-stop by temperature detection for simple reheating.
All of these actually work well, and I feel in the "before" time we were just more accepting of mediocre results and/or spending half a day on it.
The other day I accidentally grilled my instant meal because I selected the wavy grill icon instead of the wavy microwave icon on my combi-oven. Molten plastic everywhere :-/ It does have a knob for selecting the time though.
I get that icons are easier because you don't need to translate things for every country, but surely it can't be that much effort or expensive? My washing machine has text in Dutch and French, and it was one of the cheaper options.
Some of the fancy microwave features can actually be useful though.
The "sensor cook" on mine does a really great job with potatoes for example. They come out about as good with that as they do when I bake them in the toaster oven or regular oven using a thermometer to determine the cooking time, but the microwave is a lot faster and less effort.
>If depression rates in children and young adults are anything to go by, younger people absolutely cannot ignore ads(sic).
If you had toddlers in the early 00's(the only time I witnessed it), or were a toddler then, you were likely exposed to plenty of Disney Channel and the frequent barrage of 10 second commercials. Bad programming, IMO.
This is why my near two year old is unaware that there is an uncountable number of hours of video made specifically to appeal to his age group. I know he'll find out sooner or later, and that it can even be called up on demand if your mommy is nice enough, but I want to keep those little brain cells engaged primarily with the quiet, physical world as long as possible.
> If depression rates in children and young adults are anything to go by, younger people absolutely cannot ignore adds.
There's some reason to think that this has already happened to some extent. In particular, many of the changed purchasing habits of millennials vs genX and boomers are usually attributed to ad-blindness. You'd expect this to go even further in the next generation.
The door on our $1200 2 year old refrigerator started cracking at the hinge. I had a credit card warranty on it, so I foolishly tried to hire an appliance repair company to fix it. They charged $150 to look at it for 10 minutes and say all they could do is replace the whole door, and quoted $900. I spent 45 minutes fixing it myself with some extruded aluminum and some rivets. The warranty coverage allowed for self-repair, so I ended up "earning" roughly my equivalent hourly rate as a software engineer.
I advise you to go visit a Stasi museum in Germany sometime, look at what they were able to do with paper documents and film/tape.
Now imagine what they could do with today's telemetry obsessed economy.
When I was in my 20s I thought democracy was a given... "getting old" might just mean you've been alive long enough to realise that democracy is fragile and the shit sometimes hits the fan... We are one misguided vote away from handing over the ultimate panopticon to a malevolent government, and we will never be able to organise a resistance to win power back, because it will be snuffed out in its infancy .
No, I can ignore ads very well. I just buy what I need after a lot of research (and sadly good/real reviews are harder to come by).
All new advancements in "tech" have actually been in money making. Like appliances that require special cartridges for no good reason other than it being more profitable for the manufacturer. They finally adapter the printer-ink model, heh.
Did you know most contracts forbid recycling companies from taking out parts and selling them? Because it would cut into profits on overpriced spare parts, of course (official reason is "we can't trust that they'll perform well"). And so they go to landfills or at best, are melted down into something usable at huge energy costs.
Yes, people will put up with it. I hope not for long. I know people making 50k/year (good salary for EU) and literally spending it all on the "best" shit, who wish to buy a house and saying it's impossible. Then there's the people making 20k/year who save for many long years and buy a 300k+ house, or at least an apartment.
Willing to bet who will be better off in a decade or so? Or whose kids? Ha ha, I might actually lose that bet if a war or catastrophic natural events happen.
I think it depends on the specific technology. I know older people who were excited to get a smart TV where younger people use a phone, dongles or even a laptops. Sometimes they need the smarts more and are less able to escape it. And there are still older tech fans who love finding the future.
I think part of this is inevitable, but I am still very concerned because we cannot rewire our brains in less than single generation, and despite what many think you are paying attention to those ads. My parents might struggle with technology but I'd argue it's because they are trying to do something basic (like access the internet) or of value (like watch their favourite streaming series). I'm not convinced these new "value extraction" pain points that cause us hardship are the same.
> The new generation will have their brains wired to ignore ads
...upon which the brain wiring experts get bought and rewire those brains to only see "approved" ads which gives the wheel another push. Around and around it goes, like a circle game.
I've also bought this app on Playstore, a couple of years ago, but for me it's sort of useless.
Yes, you can try to follow the picture, but that's usually not how you tie the knot.
I wish this app would show how to tie the knots efficiently with your hands, like in this video [1]
I just installed the app and I can switch the view horizontally and vertically, rotate the view 360 degrees and change the speed. I can also incrementally step forward and backward through every step of the knot tying process by swiping my finger up and down. I could not ask for a more thorough example of how to tie a knot.
The app doesn't actually show the knot tying process for many knots. Yes, any knot can be created by carefully weaving one open end through the entire process (what is shown). But that's not how many (most?) knots are actually tied in practice. And for many knots it would be impractically difficult to tie it this way.
I think I understand what you mean, but what would that 'extra context' look like?
For example, could 'practical' knot tying be modelled as a sequence of states? So one state would be 'untied' and then the next might be 'looped under', then 'end passed through loop' and so on?
If i think about the enormous pain i had when first tying a bow-tie... then realistically there are all sorts of details like which hand you hold which part with :/
Here's an example[1] at random from YT. Many knots can be tied multiple ways (that still result in the same knot), and many knots can be tied with slight variations (for example lots of things can be slipped by finishing the knot with a doubled-over bight instead of just the single line, allowing you to pull the 'tail' and quickly untie them).
I know not everyone has (or supports) instagram, but this account is nothing but hands tying knots in different ways, and I love it: https://www.instagram.com/knotsandcues/
Could anyone who is familiar with Java/Kotlin/Android explain how does this work?
I tried decompiling YouTube App on Android to remove the ads some time ago, but I failed to compile it back because some kind of security thing did not allow the app to start.
I feel so much better working remotely so that I don't have to talk to my colleagues in person. We are completely different people, like from different worlds. RTO is mandatory at our place.
This made me happy every time I saw a rise in infections or new variant, for which I feel bad about myself.
TLDR: they wrote a custom "operator <<" for printing a tuple, and got a compiler error (instead of SFINAE) when using std::tuple_size_v<T> instead of std::tuple_size<T>::value in declaration, because the compiler doesn't go inside tuple_size_v definition to find out that this is a substitution error.
Maybe depends on the tank, but when I was floating I was motionless and after 3-5 minutes the water gets still and you stop feeling it.
Until you do some movement you don't feel your limbs.
I was mostly concentrating on my thoughts, so maybe that impacted my experience.
And we will be something like that grandpa that can't unblock the mobile phone. (for example, use that new blockchain smart contract to open the fridge and order some food NFTs)