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Spotify hasn’t allowed in app purchases of subscriptions in a decade.


Is the mass adoption of PWAs on mobile - including Android where Chrome is suppose to be so much better - like the “year of Linux on the desktop”?

(and the HN gods don’t like me now for some unknown reason)


No, I don't think so, for the end user it doesn't matter a lot (though increased competition will be of benefit for the end user obviously). But what matters is that Apple can't be a gatekeeper for PWAs and so they can't charge their 30% App Store tax. So it matters a lot for developers. That's why it's a threat to the App Store model.


You still didn’t answer the question - if it means so much for developers, why not use PWAs on Android today?


Because PWAs are not capable enough. But as I repeatedly said and will repeat again: it's not about today. What's true today doesn't need to be true in 5 or 10 years.


So any day now it’s going to be the “Year of the PWA”?

And in that case it’s not just mean old Apple keeping PWAs down?

Also, casino style, pay to win games won’t leave the app stores - which make up 90% of App Store revenue - because of the direct access to users wallets. People are not going to randomly put their credit cards on every website and parents aren’t going to give their kids credit cards to put on those websites. The app stores give parents control of how much spending their kids do.


My points are the same neither consumers or the companies that make most of the money from mobile care about PWAs

My second point is if it just Apple and Safari holding back the adoption of PWAs, then why aren’t they more popular on Android if Chrome is so much better?

Why aren’t companies creating PWAs for Android to avoid the same 30% cut? Are they okay with paying “large sums of money” to Google?

Why aren’t they using third party app stores on Android or letting users download directly from them?

(And the HN gods are mad at me for some reason)


Exactly how is it easier to “track you” using an application thst is sandbox that you have to explicitly give it permission to have access to your location or other data than it is on to track you on a website where there are literally dozens of ways to track you across different websites?


Ha, go look at all the permissions on Android that you cannot deny. Example, Starbucks app...

Other

Advertising ID Permission run foreground service control vibration run at startup have full network access use biometric hardware view network connections change network connectivity prevent phone from sleeping Play Install Referrer API view Wi-Fi connections use fingerprint hardware show notifications receive data from Internet


There is also a vibration api for web browsers.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Vibration_A...

Isn’t using the biometric API still controlled by a secure place on the device where all it gives you back is - did you pass the biometric check?

Advertising tracking is still easier on the web.

The rest of the permissions says a lot about Android and even so.

If PWAs were good enough on Android and it was just mean old Apple holding them back they should be pervasive for the 80% of the population that uses Android


Android was basically nothing until Verizon started selling them. The G1 was only on T-Mobile - at the time a distant 4th in the mobile space.

It was so bad that not even Google’s CEO at the time used it and he still used his BlackBerry.

For comparison, Steve Jobs felt the same way about Macs before OS X, the first two years he was back at Apple he used a PC running Next


This planet?

I happen to have first hand experience with Amazon’s PIP process…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37963423

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37963988

(I seem to have done something to anger the HN gods)


PIP is a performance improvement plan, whereby they come up with documentation required to dismiss a person without running afoul of affirmative action and other wrongful termination suits.

Firing for cause is something else. Like, stealing from the company. Or punching a coworker, disclosing trade secrets to the press, failing a cocaine drug test, or deliberately violating workplace conduct rules. Poor performance is not a cause, and failing a PIP does not lead to firing for cause.


People really overestimate the scope of “wrongful termination” in the US where almost every state says you can fire someone for almost any reason or no reason as long as it isn’t a protected class.

And did you read my write up about how PIPs work at Amazon?

You’re heavily incentivized to press “Leave Amazon” button when they send you the link.

The chance of making it through a PIP is almost 0 - I read some of the internal Slack channels and I know from my own experience.


Nothing you've said in this comment contradicts my opinion that firing for cause is different than PIP. Not even the fact that PIPs are not designed to be survived. Or that you will be fired after failing one.


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