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Two questions:

1. If I'm in my backyard and I have a high fence (private). And an FBI target walks by my property (public), how can they claim to not be surveilling me as well?

2. Is it unconstitutional surveillance to use Google Earth to see if I was home on the specific day their imagery was collected?




high fence does not give you a reasonable expectation of privacy

  Even within the curtilage and notwithstanding that the owner   
  has gone to the extreme of erecting a 10-foot high fence in 
  order to screen the area from ground-level view, there is no 
  reasonable expectation of privacy from naked-eye inspection 
  from fixed-wing aircraft flying in navigable airspace.
California v. Ciraolo, 476 U.S. 207

See also Oliver v. United States, where even "locked gate + no trespassing signs" does not give you a reasonable expectation of privacy.


Fixed-wing aircraft are pretty common. Okay.

Would you have protection from guvmint agents on stilts? I'm not being snarky; this is going somewhere.

What about cameras arranged on poles, aimed at backyards, with ubiquitous deployment?

It's a shame that this "no expectation of privacy" stuff is divorced from "a freedom from observation" (which is really what we're talking about).


Depends. The 4th amendment protects people, not places. For your house? Probably For your yard? Probably not, but it depends what part of the yard.

Cameras arranged on poles? I'm too lazy to look up cases. See Kyllo and friends.

The reason it's divorced from "freedom from observation" is because the constitution does not guarantee you a freedom from observation, only a freedom from search. These are not the same.

As one of the cases says, "the police are not required to shield their eyes as they pass homes if they do not have probable cause"


Another right bites the dust.


This was 17 years ago, so it's not like it's a really recent occurrence.

For example, nobody who was on the supreme court then is on the supreme court now.

Nobody has cared so far ....


You mean 27 years ago. (1986)

Five of the justices have been on the court more than 17 years


Whoops :)


It's a simple extension of a very old principle: you don't have an expectation on areas viewable from public property.


> It's a simple extension of a very old principle: you don't have an expectation [of privacy] on areas viewable from public property.

Wandering off-topic just a bit, there's an oddball trade-secret case from 1970 that has always puzzled me: A father-and son photographer team flew over a DuPont chemical plant that was under construction and took aerial photographs. DuPont tracked down the photographers and asked who had hired them; when they refused to say, DuPont sued them for theft of trade secrets.

The photographers moved to dismiss, in part on grounds that aerial photography from the public airspace was fair game. The appeals court upheld the trial court's ruling rejecting the photographers' contention and said they could be compelled to disclose who hired them.

The appellate court said, "To require DuPont to put a roof over the unfinished plant to guard its secret would impose an enormous expense to prevent nothing more than a school boy's trick. We introduce here no new or radical ethic since our ethos has never given moral sanction to piracy. The market place must not deviate far from our mores. We should not require a person or corporation to take unreasonable precautions to prevent another from doing that which he ought not do in the first place. Reasonable precautions against predatory eyes we may require, but an impenetrable fortress is an unreasonable requirement, and we are not disposed to burden industrial inventors with such a duty in order to protect the fruits of their efforts." [1].

[1] E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co. v. Christopher, 431 F.2d 1012, 1016-17 (5th Cir. 1970) (affirming denial of defendants' motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim), http://gozips.uakron.edu/~dratler/2010tradesec/materials/chr...


Tailing someone on a public road is a very old principle as well, but that didn't matter Alito and the other three justices who joined with him in the Jones concurrence. He found that 24/7 monitoring for 28 days on public roads only with a GPS device constituted a search. I don't think the FBI did anything wrong here, but you're drastically oversimplifying what surely is an un-litigated issue. The fact that a GPS device was so much cheaper than 24 hour surveillance via a tail car is what Alito's concurrence hinged on, despite the fact that the monitoring was exactly the same.




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