Google AppEngine Java Support Launches

[peter123]

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/07/live-from-google-campfire-09/

[oomkiller]

Hmm I'd like to see JRuby running on app engine. Who else would?

[pufuwozu → oomkiller]

I wonder if it will run all Java bytecode. Scala and Clojure would be great.

Plus PHP (via Quercus) would convert a lot of developers.

Edit: looks like it should!

http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/java/runtime.html

  App Engine runs your Java web application using a Java 6
  JVM in a safe "sandboxed" environemnt. App Engine invokes
  your app's servlet classes to handle requests and prepare
  responses in this environment.

[tlrobinson → pufuwozu]

Don't forget JavaScript via Rhino!

[tlrobinson → tlrobinson]

Someone already got Helma running on it: http://helma-ng.appspot.com/

[jonursenbach → pufuwozu]

I'd much rather have native PHP support than have to run PHP through an unnecessary layer of Java. Thanks but no thanks.

[icey → jonursenbach]

I never do this but...

Why was this downmodded so much? I don't get it. Wanting to have native PHP support seems like a perfectly reasonable wish.

[Edit: Now it seems out of context, but the parent was at -2 when I posted this]

[felixmar → jonursenbach]

Microsoft's Azure has support for native PHP with FastCGI.

[jonursenbach → felixmar]

And EC2 has support for everything.

[wehriam → pufuwozu]

Don't forget Jython!

[spooneybarger → oomkiller]

In that case, you will want to read:

http://olabini.com/blog/tag/gae/

which includes:

* Dynamic languages on Google App Engine - an overview * JRuby on Rails on Google App Engine * Java on Google App Engine

[swannodette]

Believe it. [update] Alright no one likes TinyURL. I get it. Here's a more informative tutorial about running Clojure on GAE. http://elhumidor.blogspot.com/2009/04/clojure-on-google-appe...

[gojomo → swannodette]

For when TinyURL dies:

http://fragmental.tw/2009/04/08/clojure-on-google-app-engine...

And, why use TinyURL here? Your destination URL isn't long; there's no constraining limit to comment URL sizes.

[peter123 → oomkiller]

that would be very cool.

[jcapote → oomkiller]

Ditto.

[charlesju → oomkiller]

Ditto X 1 million.

Does anyone know is this is possible?

[peter123 → charlesju]

if their runtime is standards-based, I don't see why not.

[mattdennewitz]

and cron!

[alecco]

Google's blog: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/

[briansmith]

The interesting thing is that this is based on some of the standard Java EE APIs, unlike the Python edition, which was nearly 100% proprietary.

Unfortunately, there's still very poor support for HTTPS. The limited HTTPS support is what keeps me from deploying any applications on it.

[catch404]

Promo page isn't loading for me - Does that mean I missed out?

[jaaron → catch404]

Did the same thing to me.

I went back to the front page console and there was a link at the top of the page.

[bonaldi]

Coo, I wonder if WebObjects can be levered into this, then.

[jli]

people working on appengine really want java? Isn't write webapps in java unproductive? I would figure developers would rather have ruby,php instead.

[tptacek → jli]

The word "Java" is misleading; it's really the JVM, which means most of the mainstream web programming languages, in their JVM versions.

[ordinaryman → jli]

people working on appengine really want java?

After more than 8 years of coding in Java, I had to pick up Python (and Django) so as to start using GAE for my startup.

Now, looking at those sample code in Java (and JSP) and the related XML configurations for GAE, I don't think I want to go back to Java - unless I am paid to do so, say for services.

[bk → jli]

HN etiquette note:

The parent post is neither a troll, spam, or off-topic, and thus should not be downvoted.

A simple "no upvote" would suffice. If you disagree add a substantive rebuttal to your "no upvote".

[zmimon → bk]

How do you define troll? A blanket statement labelling an entire technology with a pejorative without any justification or explanation seems fairly trollish to me.

However both of us are certainly off-topic and should be downvoted heavily :-)

[axod → jli]

Try writing a high throughput webapp in ruby or php, then come back.

Java is orders of magnitude easier to scale.

[danw → axod]

Languages don't scale.

[tll → danw]

Fortunately Java is not a language but a runtime + library + language. And it scales great :-)

[bad_user → jli]

JRuby is in good shape, you can deploy Rails on it.

And besides, there are many people with investments in Java already. I think this is a pretty good choice.

Now, if they also added Mono (.NET) that would be great.

[schtog → bad_user]

Google adding support for Microsoft tools?