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Don't let whiners pollute your mindset. Not even ones who package their insights in a nice scientific artifice like a white paper.

"all knowledge so far" (ie. the data needed for LLM training) is only a grain of sand on a beach compared to the return on making it all regurgitatable on demand.

We are at the bottom of a science, knowledge & art hockey stick chart, we're staring up at it and the steep bit is labeled "the future".

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this approach of calling critics "whiners" then making sweeping, naive statements regarding both capital-S Science and also markets, is shallow.

The West collectively has touched markets with Science using concepts of property rights. All of that is upturned now. I agree that publishing portals like Elsivier have done damage to Science while enriching the company and its allies. However that complaint looks quaint compared to literally four military-industrial groups running all new discoveries and their commercialization.

This is not resolved at all...


Agreed it's not settled - my comment isn't about whether they're right or wrong.

I'm advocating mindfully managing your own influences.


I understand the all-knowledge so far types of references, but it also reveals to me that most people who say that actually have little to no idea that AI doesn't possess information that exists only in the heads of people which has never been written down and there's substantial value to it which day-to-day uses of AI are not able to reach.

There're two effects: first, the "envelope effect" wherein everything within the "knowledge envelope" of humanity becomes easier to "fill in", with more people making more connections possible faster among known things. Think cross-disciplinary insights.

And then there's a different effect, where a person or team can leverage AI to leap straight to the frontier of a field and then proceed outward from there.

Both are possible right now and available to anyone with a phone.


I agree it is terrifying because it is unknown. It is also true that the frontier AI labs have not worked well with affected communities at all and often downright exploited them.

BUT I also agree that, like any new technology, people will find mind-blowingly creative paths forwards with it, opening up whole new art forms.


> AI labs have not worked well with affected communities at all and often downright exploited them

The first reviews of OAI's dump on math are coming out. Quasi-Riemann Hypothesis Proof looks to be valid. The irony is that is uses and approach that the people who work in that area have disregarded for the most part. As well as mining some other parts of maths corpus. There really isnt "innovation" there.

For as much as OAI is guilty of leveraging work in progress, the complaints about some of the other work(s) are looking spurious (and I'm being very kind using that word).


It's not terrifying because it's unknown. It's terrifying because a tiny number of obscenely rich psychopaths are trying to take sole control of it so they can enshrine themselves as living gods and make 99% of humans so obsolete that they die sick and cold in the streets. That's their overt goal, and almost all evidence we have from history and current politics suggests that they will be wildly successful at this. None of this is for you, it's all for them. All of it. That's why it's terrifying.

No doubt a whole of something is going to be produced very soon.

Whether it meets human needs and meets them in a rich and satisfying way is another question.


Are you sure you aren’t looking at a corporation’s revenue chart?

>We are at the bottom of a science, knowledge & art hockey stick chart, we're staring up at it and the steep bit is labeled "the future".

I've never seen so much faith outside of a religious setting. Do you have any proof of this at all, or is it a faith-based system?

Its been 4 _years_ since GPT 3.5's release. Where are all these marvels people keep saying are just around the corner?


Games are starting to be remixed; closed-source software can be cracked open at will.

It's happening all around but you're somehow not seeing it.


Is that a serious answer?

This is supposed to be The technology that will colonize the universe, and you're saying "Games are being remixed" is the happening we're supposed to be excited about? That's the hockey stick inflection point?


Large scale remixes which have an oracle have become possible for one dedicated person. That's an inflection point if I ever saw one!

You sound extremely ngmi. Please adjust your attitude to be more rocket ship emoji to the moon hockey stick, please.

Apologies for my subpar manic traits, I pledge to be better next time



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