According to the AAMC's own data, the standard deviation difference between Black and Asian medical school students' MCAT scores is around 1 standard deviation. For the 2023-2024 cycle, the average total MCAT score for Asian matriculants was 514.3, while for Black or African American matriculants, it was 505.7, which reflects a difference of about 0.87 standard deviations.
If you're going in for surgery, would you say there's no difference?
You don’t provide any data to support your premise. There’s an intervening 10 years between acceptance into medical school and showing up at a surgery table. Show the connection between MCAT scores and surgery outcomes.
Ive met a few bipoc Ivy docs over the last few years.
Some of them basically felt burned by the education system that accepted them into undergrad where they performed at bottom of class as they were let in with lowest standards. Then this process repeated as they felt burned by med school again as they were let in with lowest scores. Some of them would assume, these schools let me in hoping i would fail out so their diversity numbers look good, instead i graduated at bottom of my class and jad a terrible experience.
The psychological effect of being at the bottom of your class at an Ivy, vs top of your class at a public state university, is an interesting way to start your career in any field.
Surely the number of people at the bottom of their class at an Ivy didn’t change though? Just (possibly) the race of those at the bottom? So any psychological effect of being at the bottom seems… constant?
Of course there is always a bottom 20% of the ivy league class. What differs is:
if u lower academic metrics to admit racially diverse students, these students will all be in bottom 20% unless university changes other factors.
To prevent bottom 20% from all being racially preffered students, the univ or professor has the choice of either lowering level of education to allow racial students to compete, just give them better scores for being racial, or just let them be the bottom 20% of class because they cant keep up with the other academic merit based students.
Some Ivy professors such as Amy Wax have discussed this, mentioning racially admitted students are always in bottom of class, the current process sets them up to fail rather than pushing them to state school where they might be top of class,racial students have never been in top of her classes, as expected the university is trying to revoke her tenure.
Pushing then to state schools where they might be top of their class has psychological benifits for the student, if i am #1 in level 2 math vs the worst student in level 1 math, i can take pride in my academic success, this will encourage me to study more rather than feeling like the worst student in class. If i knew my high school put me in level 1 math intentionally knowing i would be the weakest student, i would be mad at the high school.
Relax, you're on the internet not in a courtroom. u/sandspar made a claim, and it's well within reason to point out that their claim has no basis in the data they referenced.
Presenting diversity as allowing weaker candidates to be chosen is a trope.
It's about people who are qualified or over qualified who are never considered but should be. At the expense of the rich buying their kids way in..? Maybe.
Still, institutional reputation risked is because of diverse underachievers? Seems like they are doing it to themselves independently.
I will take all downvotes for pushing back on the delusion that diversity is somehow less quality candidates.
It's only quality candidates that never get a chance.
What's one reason why?
The contrary evidence to the idea that diversity is bad, when the rich are doing the same instead by using money to get privileged access to university at the expense of qualified students.
For me, I no longer pick medical specialists who graduated from Harvard since 2017. Others at various later date. And I felt vindicated after reading
https://casetext.com/case/hernandez-v-yale-medical-group