Any chance there are misfires due to changing the main spring? I have found Sig's can be set up with ultra sensitive (and light) triggers if you change the springs out.
While both unsafe, I think the big difference here is that Taurus guns are cheap and not exactly known for reliability. Sig on the other hand is supposed to be the high price, engineered among the best option, with numerous expansive contracts.
Modern cartridges are pretty well shielded from static electricity. I can't imagine a static spark could get inside the chamber AND inside the cartridge.
No worries. Was just thinking that from this description, which sounds to me like a static electricity problem:
... another soldier, on his way to the refrigerator, tried to squeeze past him.
That’s when their gun holsters made contact.
“All I remember was the clanking” of the two holsters, the sergeant would later
tell an Army investigator, according to a military report, “and [the] gun shot.”
Unlike other striker-fired guns, the P320 is "effectively fully cocked at rest", since its striker is under constant spring pressure, which is released when the trigger is pulled. Most such guns, including the P320's military variant, have external safeties (like thumb safeties), which the P320's civilian variant lacks. According to gunsmith James Tertin, this is a rare and "uniquely dangerous" configuration
MCO 5500.6H (Arming of Law Enforcement and Security Personnel) requires Condition 1, which is
magazine inserted, round in chamber, slide forward, safety on ... After reviewing the security camera video footage, the mishap investigator concluded that P1 did not
mishandle the weapon at anytime while on duty at Gate 1 prior to the weapon discharging. From the
evidence and statements from the persons involved, it is apparent that the weapon fired while on safe
and secured in the holster.
most striker fired pistols follow glock's lead in using not a manual thumb safety but instead a trigger safety, which prevents the trigger from being pulled by something not shaped roughly like a finger
the us military version of the p320 does have a thumb safety, and the claim is that they are going off without trigger pressure anyway, so who knows what the issue is
> In 1991, Cooper wrote in Guns & Ammo magazine that "no more than five to ten people in a hundred who die by gunfire in Los Angeles are any loss to society. These people fight small wars amongst themselves. It would seem a valid social service to keep them well-supplied with ammunition."[27][28] In 1994, Cooper said "Los Angeles and Ho Chi Minh City have declared themselves sister cities. It makes sense: they are both Third World metropolises formerly occupied by Americans."[29]
It depends on the firearm, but yes, there are tons of pistols that are explicitly designed to be carried cocked. The m1911 is the first example that comes to mind for me, as it’s been in service for over a century and is designed to be carried with the hammer cocked and the safety on - “cocked and locked”.
Modern striker-fired pistols like this vary a bit. As there isn’t a hammer to “cock” in the first place the same nomenclature doesn’t quite apply. That said, the firing pin is under tension in almost all of them.
Yes. The bad guys aren’t going to sit around and wait for you to rack a round and flip a safety. Guns should be designed to be safe with a round chambered and no manual safety. This is why Glock is so popular.
I realize single-action is generally very safe, but this is the exact reason I fell in love with the P99 AS action (striker-fired SA/DA with a decocker).
"Blanks" are still quite deadly, one notable event:
On October 12, 1984, the cast and crew of Cover Up were filming the seventh episode of the series, "Golden Opportunity", on Stage 18 of the 20th Century Fox lot. One of the scenes filmed that day called for Hexum's character to load cartridges into a .44 Magnum handgun, so he was provided with a functional gun and blanks. When the scene did not play as the director wanted it to in the master shot, there was a delay in filming. Hexum became restless and impatient during the delay and began playing around to lighten the mood. He had unloaded all but one (blank) round, spun it, and—simulating Russian roulette—he put the revolver to his right temple and pulled the trigger, unaware of the danger.[12]
The explosive effect of the muzzle blast caused enough blunt force trauma to fracture a quarter-sized piece of his skull and propel this into his brain, causing massive hemorrhaging.[6][13]
It's a creative thought but this kind of thinking is in direct contradiction to the widely accepted principles of safe firearm handling. Trying to mitigate the damage of negligent discharges is the wrong problem to solve. In this case it sounds like the negligence may belong to the manufacturer in which case these weapons should be scrapped.
I wouldn't trust my life to my ability to get 2 shots off before the bad guy got 1 shot off.
Other pistols do not have this problem, just don't carry a Sig P320. There are lots of other great options for duty guns. Walther PDP would be my choice.
its also related to tech work, if your employer uses a threat model that includes immediately hostile physical presence, such as a data center servicing advanced imaging and early warning systems, being invaded by the enemy.
The military version of the P320 (M18) has a manual safety. Not clear from the article whether or not it was engaged. That said, I’ve always thought it is bonkers that the P320 doesn’t have a trigger safety.
> Not clear from the article whether or not it was engaged.
Per TFA
"Investigators reviewed surveillance footage and determined that the security guard did not mishandle the weapon, and that it fired despite the gun’s safety being in place."
I'm no expert on guns and I also thought it strange when I first heard that some hand guns are intentionally made with no safety mechanism. Then my brother (who is an expert competitive shooter, instructor and range safety officer) explained the reasoning to me. IIRC, it was basically that despite all rules and training to the contrary, some people continue to occasionally handle guns in an unsafe manner with the (wildly incorrect) justification "it's okay, the safety's on."
Since safety mechanisms must be quick to deactivate and it's not always easy to visually determine the safety's state, such flawed logic substantially reduces the benefit of having a safety in the first place. Whereas the correct safety posture is to always treat any hand gun as potentially loaded and ready to fire, regardless of belief the safety mechanism is active. Apparently, with some people, training and safety protocols can't count counter human psychology, rendering the existence of a safety mechanism as another source of accidental error.
Once I thought about it, I can see how eliminating any possibility of mistaken belief in a safety mechanism being active might be preferred. Of course, this perspective assumes that weapons don't fire themselves accidentally, as reported here. (But, based on this article, apparently having a safety mechanism engaged didn't prevent accidental firing in these rare scenarios anyway.)
The actual reason is because pistols without explicit manual safeties have other safety features that make up for it (grip safety, trigger safety, firing pin disconnect etc.,) that provide the ability to carry the weapon safely in a way in which you don't need the time and muscle memory training to turn the manual safety off when you're in an adrenaline packed life or death scenario, you can just draw and pull the trigger.
There's a lot of personal preference in whether you consider the other safety features "enough" or whether you also want an explicit manual safety.
A very stupid reason not to add safety. We woudnt need safety belts with the same reasoning. Stupid people gonna do stupid things, with or without safety.
You might stumble, hook onto something, loose grip of a weapon and pull the trigger accidentially.
A safety is to prevent accidential triggering, not to prevent stupidity. For that you need laws that prohibit carrying loaded weapons without license and strict requirements and training for the ones who get such a permission.
Our police is training in virtual reality. I know of a case where an officer did not take the safety rules seriously in the vr-training who got reviewed and put on leave for a few days for his behaviour.
https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2022-12-02/lawsuit-alleges-20-n...
https://spectrumnews1.com/wi/milwaukee/news/2022/10/31/milwa...
Sig Sauer keeps claiming that it's weapon mishandling despite evidence showing it going off in the holster.