The fact that the whistleblower is going public at a somewhat unknown network "NewsNation" either throws shade over the story or perhaps is a sign that no one believes the whistleblower.
At first, I couldn't really find a reputable source about this, but there is this new york mag article[0] which cites him (which cites the debrief article another comment shared), so there's that.
Mainstream media has been asked to not cover the allegations of criminal activity in illegal black programs without congressional oversight: https://youtu.be/rQjbFZT9_EM?t=1370
The one thing that impresses me is his attorney... his whistleblower complaint was filed by Charles McCullough.
The 2010 Intelligence Authorization Act formally established the Office of the Inspector General of the United States Intelligence Community within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. The first Inspector General of the Intelligence Community - appointed in 2010 - was Charles McCullough. He reported directly to James Clapper, National Director of Intelligence.
On the other hand, the thing that has me very skeptical, is his claim that countries around the globe have been in open competition to retrieve this vehicles and all of the countries have somehow kept everything secret for over 50 years. I just don't find that credible.
One part I find highly credible. The other highly suspect. In such circumstances, I the skeptic in me forces me to weigh in on its side.
> On the other hand, the thing that has me very skeptical, is his claim that countries around the globe have been in open competition to retrieve this vehicles and all of the countries have somehow kept everything secret for over 50 years. I just don't find that credible.
It's not a secret though. Throughout my life I have heard this same story, from lots of people, though it has always been lore and they usually want to know your take on it. Many people will tell you they believe it if they trust you. There have been whistleblowers on this before as well, and each has been discredited and their claims denied, often with implication that they are crazy. The establishment line has always been that if you are into this, you must also be a nut, and so on. I don't find it too hard to believe that the government made a decision to just deny the truth and slander those who spoke it, rather than try to contain it. That's really their only move for a secret too big to keep.
Ok. Let’s accept this whistleblower is saying the truth and the U.S. has been secretly retrieving crashed UFOs.
Is there something special about the US’s landmass that UFOs only crash there? Or do superior alien life forms who have the capability to travel between planets and probably solar systems, for some reason are only interested in the U.S. when they come to explore the earth?
If not, then where are all the other UFOs crashing on the rest of the planet? Who’s recovering them secretly? Why don’t UFOs ever crash into dense urban areas? Why do UFOs never crash into the vast majority of areas of the planet which simply lack the secrets preserving capability ascribed to US government by all these “whistle blowers”?
The “random US military guy claiming a govt conspiracy to hide UFOs” claims collapse at the slightest bit of probing. What it does indicate, however, is either a media that’s intentionally or unintentionally extremely credulous to claims of UFOs from the military and/or the U.S. military is just filled with undisciplined crazies.
Assuming this isn’t just a big psyop trying to scare US adversaries, and that UFO’s are real… the US was the first to detonate nukes, and on its own territory, which might explain some of it. Maybe the UFO’s were investigating how scientifically and technologically advanced humanity was becoming, and naturally focused on nuclear tech as a leading indicator.
The 1936 Berlin Olympics TV broadcast might also have alerted them to humanity, and travel time of the broadcast plus travel time of UFO’s to Earth might have resulted in them arriving right around when nukes were invented (if they’re from, say, Alpha Centauri which is 4 light-years away).
The US and Europe also have free press where things like this are more likely to be publicly reported than in say, the USSR back in the day, or China under the CCP. Which in conjunction with the above may explain sightings maps like this one, where sightings are most frequent in the US and secondarily in Europe: https://updb.app/map?zoom=1.00&lon=149.0917&lat=37.3003
Also, if you search number of reports by date ranges, look at what you get:
1-1943: 1566 sightings reports
1944-2023: 294,641 sightings reports
Two orders of magnitude more sightings reports in the 80yrs since nukes were invented, vs in the almost two millennia previously. Obviously we also had more robust and technologically advanced media in the latter time frame, so that contributes much to the discrepancy. But still a huge discrepancy.
> The 1936 Berlin Olympics TV broadcast might also have alerted them to humanity, and travel time of the broadcast plus travel time of UFO’s to Earth might have resulted in them arriving right around when nukes were invented (if they’re from, say, Alpha Centauri which is 4 light-years away).
If they're from Alpha Centauri and can travel > 0.8 c.
That's cool that website! https://updb.appUPDB is an open database of unexplained phenomena (UFO/UAP) reports. Wow didn't know about that.
I guess you know the "insider theory" as to why UFOs came after nukes: it's that nuclear weapons explosions send shockwaves through the "cosmic web" and interdimensionally, that fucks up aliens' realms/dimensions. So we think it's bad here, but somewhere else something else bad is going on. I wonder if that's a secret reason why countries shifted to underground tests, and then a ban. Too much ET pushback - ha ha ha! :)
But just now I'm thinking how is a nuclear explosion different to a star? Maybe because latter is gravitationally stabilized and "in equilibrium" with its environment? I don't know. That's why we need to science the shit out of it! Rather than having anything we may know and have locked in super secret programs, amenable to crazy disinfo and all this other bullshit! Ha ha ha! :)
Heh, I wasn’t aware of that theory about nukes disrupting alternate dimensions.
There’s a simpler explanation though - nukes emit a powerful electromagnetic pulse at the speed of light that might be strong enough to be detectable by anyone listening.
Also the 1936 Berlin Olympics TV broadcast was the first human-created electromagnetic signal strong enough to reach other planets and possibly be detectable.
Those were the first energy emissions by humanity that aliens might have detected. If aliens do exist, it’s little surprise they came here to investigate around the time of those events.
I'm personally highly skeptical of the claims he's making—or that extraterrestrials are here in any capacity—but to take a stab at your questions:
- the folks who do believe in UFOs would say these crashes happen worldwide, but it's countries like the US/Russia who use their influence to swoop in, recover the pieces and then mount a coverup.
- UFOs have been sighted over urban areas, although it's rarer. If I were a UFO pilot, I'd probably avoid cities for the same reason the USAF doesn't fly classified aircraft over urban areas either (at least during the day)
I don't know what his angle is here—fame, mental issues, a genuine belief that he's onto something. I'll admit the recent focus on these things has aroused my curiosity, but like I said, aliens aren't at the top of my "credible explanations" list.
It would take 10k's-100k's of years to send a single autonomous robotic probe from a supposedly "nearby" inhabited planet even 500 ly away. We can't even make something that lasts 1000 years, much less something that would survive an interstellar journey.
This guy is likely launching a book, public speaking, and subscription blog career.
No, but the US as the global superpower is most threatened by the appearance of a superior authority, so they have the most interest in creating a counterintelligence campaign about the topic, hence why the US seems obsessed with creating UFO info (and disinfo).
But there's actually a lot from other countries, if you look into it. But you do have to research it, and you might not want to, leaving you with the impression you currently have! Ha ha ha :)
Well there have been other places to have reported objects crash landing - Brazil, France and Russia being the most commonly cited examples from what I've heard about.
I think it's a fascinating topic for discussion - while not necessarily believing there's some extra terrestrial conspiracy or what not - but I don't think the argument of 'it only happens in america' is strictly fair
> Is there something special about the US’s landmass that UFOs only crash there? Or do superior alien life forms who have the capability to travel between planets and probably solar systems, for some reason are only interested in the U.S. when they come to explore the earth?
Actually, it appears they like nuclear weapons and the associated infrastructure to make them. All of the US atomic weapons plants got a lot of UFO sightings when they were first built and operated, with very little after that.
https://www.explorescu.org/post/uap-pattern-recognition-stud...
The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point.
Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power.
“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.”
― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works
I think it's both. They'd be remiss not to use it as a psyop. Ha ha ha! :) But part of the allegations are a decades long psyop against the American people. This story is bigger than Snowden. People need to be writing to their representatives! Ha ha ha! :)
Is newsnation a legitimate outlet? Being a non-American I'd never heard of this, and when the reporter starts with "Earning your trust every night!" I wonder if these guys are just tabloid reporters?
I find this a fascinating topic, but for every piece of news that seems legitimate there's 10 that feel like nonsense. (It is "fun" to read this kind of stuff though)
American here. I’ve never heard of it, and I read the news all day. It is very well written if it’s fake, but I mean I could hypothetically do that too…
If it’s even a real article, “whistleblower” is a busted term in the US right now. Rather than referring to some Erin Brokovitch, it currently means “an interest group has become aware of an allegation!”
I mean. Anyone can make an allegation. It doesn’t cost money unless you are doing fraud or defamation someone cares about. Dangerous examples have manifested as a tit-for-tat thing in congress, lately.
But. No one’s going to believe criminal intent or sue me for saying that President David Blaine, Esq, was observed disappearing at the White House Easter Egg Hunt. So I can kinda just say it.
If I said it on a platform watched by conspiracy theorists, with intent, it might be different, but almost certainly not.
I subsequently found out that NewsNation is the new home of Chris Cuomo, who was ousted by CNN a few years ago after some misconduct involving his brother, who was the governor of New York.
Now, I’m not going to assign it a credibility score yet, but Cuomo was a reasonably serious journalist.
Interesting that this media project hadn’t really crossed my radar.
Note: that doesn’t make aliens real, even though I wish so too.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. My post was a video! But there's also an article, ha ha ha! :) There's lots of content about this story now. And the Guardian and Fox have now picked it up. Which is good I guess. Apparently there will be much more testimony from Grusch dropping on the "Need to Know" podcast soon.
Ha ha ha, well it's covering this story, so that's good! Is that a problem for you? This is a video interview with David Grusch, the guy who is the subject of the Debrief story^0. Is that going to change what he says for you? Mainstream media's failed by not covering this story so far^1 Ha ha ha! :) It's bigger than Snowden! :)
If i've literally never heard of the website, news outlet, whistleblower, reporters, or any of the other entities involved in an article... Then yes, it is worth asking for alternative sources or an insight into the legitimacy of the outlet. I don't really know why you'd be so obtuse about that?
Just out of curiosity, do you hold all of the other claims made by those featured on ancient aliens to be credible, or just specific researchers? If the later, what criteria have you used to distinguish between that which you do and do not believe?
Well you sound like you're doubting your own process. So that's good! First step. You also sound like you have trouble seeing things through other people's eyes, that's also good! Where you should go next! Mind expansion without drugs. You're welcome! Ha ha ha! :)
At first, I couldn't really find a reputable source about this, but there is this new york mag article[0] which cites him (which cites the debrief article another comment shared), so there's that.
[0] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/ex-intel-official-go...