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Official: Pentagon can't independently confirm atrocities in Ukraine's Bucha (reuters.com)
9 points by IdEntities on April 5, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 10 comments


This is posted as if this somehow means they didnt occur. The first paragraph says:

> The U.S. military is not in a position to independently confirm Ukrainian accounts of atrocities by Russian forces against civilians in the town of Bucha, but has no reason to dispute the accounts either,


They are basically saying "we don't know". Instead, it seems, most people are already sure of what happened before an official independent investigation. Hell, even calling for such an investigation gets you labeled a Putin propagandist.


There is plenty of evidence that these killings occurred whilst Russian troops were occupying the areas. I don't see anyone being called a propagandist for calling for investigations and I see plenty of investigating being done and the evidence points directly at Russia and its troops


There's a big difference between saying they don't know and acknowledging that they don't have first hand information. The people you say are just "calling for an investigation" are dismissing the credibility of the reports so far, the Pentagon is not dismissing them.


We need investigation but not to find out what happened but to find out how it exactly happened and who is directly responsible for these specific acts.

We already know who is responsible for all these acts together. These are not random events. What has happened is not accident.

This is systematic genocide organized on highest level https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/kremlin-editorial-ukraine-iden...


The Pentagon cannot confirm the atrocities, yet you already know both what happened and who did it.


Pentagon is thousands of miles away. Why should I care?

First video of dead bodies was published on 1st April. Russian forces left on 31st March. Here https://twitter.com/ViktoriiaUAH/status/1509985789404459011 is the video from where I learned about roadside killings. It has been recorded latest 1st April afternoon.


The Pentagon includes the most powerful intelligence agencies in the world. They also are providing military intelligence to Ukraine that, according to many sources, has proven to be very valuable in countering the Russians. But they have no intelligence that can corroborate the Ukrainian version in this case. I find that highly relevant. I don't understand what distance has to do with it, given that it's pretty obvious the Pentagon has intelligence officers on the ground in Ukraine.

A video is hardly conclusive evidence, especially in a conflict where both parts have a strong interest in pushing out their own narrative.


Have a look at some of the OSINT accounts on twitter. They show footage of killings, date stamped to show they occured during Russia's occupation, they show dead bodies in the streets for days or weeks before the Ukrainian armed forces liberated the towns. The evidence is there, your statement implies only the Pentagon can confirm or deny the truth. Actually the pentagon isn't independent enough to be able to confirm these attrocities.





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