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The primitive (data) XOR (rotate-data) XOR (rotate-data) is invertible, which means there's no "bit funnel" (Bob Jenkin's term).

You want your "primitives" to be invertible, so that your one source of "non-invertible" operations is controlled very carefully.

Hash functions are non-invertible. But all operations on the "internal state" should be invertible (!!!!) to maximize the entropy per round.

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All good hash-functions have invertable operations (aka: a bijective (1-to-1 and onto) operation) over its state to "distribute" the bits around in some manner. You then perform a non-reversable XOR over the input message data (this is the one and only non-reversible step), maybe after operating over the input data somehow.

Whenever you're "mixing" bits around in a cipher or hash, you need every step to be invertible to maximize your entropy. If you have 2^256 possible input states, you want to have 2^256 output states. By the pigeon-hole principle, this only happens if you have a bijective / 1-to-1 and onto invertible operation.

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Lets look at the opposite. Lets say we have a non-invertible function. That is, 2^256 possible inputs become only 2^128 outputs. Guess what? We've just lose 128-bits of information (!!!).

It doesn't matter how complex your operation is. If you have 256-bits of input and only 128-bits of output, you've "lost information". You _NEVER_ want to lose internal-state information.

The hash-function's internal state should be at a maximum 256-bits (with 256-bits of entropy) every step. Sure, the input might be 512-bits, 4096-bits, or 100-MBs long, but each "step" of a 256-bit hash should retain 256-bits of state to be maximally "difficult" to reverse.

That's kinda-sorta obvious if you think of it from a pigeon-hole perspective.



I guess sort of intuitively (I'm not a cryptographer):

If your round function isn't invertible, then it's going to converge at some point on some fixed value, and the round function is going to stop doing anything useful.

More broadly, SHA2 is a sort of instance of a construction called Davies-Meyer, which treats each message block as the key to a bona-fide block cipher (SHACAL, in SHA's case), each encrypting the previous block. It's hopefully pretty obvious why a block cipher core needs to be invertible. :)

So I also find it kind of helpful to remember that you can take any block cipher and turn it into a hash, and then a "good" hash function is just optimizing the block cipher core around the goals of a hash function (be fast, be nonlinear, be hard to find differential trails through the whole sequence of round functions, &c).

It's a thing I don't love about illustrations like the one we're discussing, in that it sort of presents this "intelligent design" problem of, like, "how did we arrive at this incredibly complex fully functioning eyeball", when there's a whole series of smaller evolutionary steps that led to this point; it's more productive maybe to look at the bones of the whole design before diving into the details of which bits go where at each precise step.


> I guess sort of intuitively (I'm not a cryptographer):

Don't worry. I'm not one either. And I think that's why I am actually able to tell you that invertibility / 1-to-1 onto bijections is an important concept :-)

An actual cryptographer would tell you its 1-to-1 and onto and move on.

> It's a thing I don't love about illustrations like the one we're discussing, in that it sort of presents this "intelligent design" problem of, like, "how did we arrive at this incredibly complex fully functioning eyeball", when there's a whole series of smaller evolutionary steps that led to this point; it's more productive maybe to look at the bones of the whole design before diving into the details of which bits go where at each precise step.

Agreed. There's a lot of history here, and knowing all of the history helps a _LOT_.

Go back 50 years ago, and ciphers are way easier to grok. DES / Feistel ciphers are really easy for example. But then we discovered issues about them and iteratively improved.

The old "DES" / Feistel cipher principles of confusion and diffusion remain with us today, but each step has been honed for 90s-era computers (SBoxes and 32-bit numbers), and then honed again for 2010s-era computers (recognition that XOR / Rotate / Add is a faster primitive today than memory-based SBoxes).

I don't think any of the principles have changed since DES / Feistel cipher days. Its just that today's designs are better for today's computers.

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EDIT: As far as I can tell: "confusion" can be created by (data) XOR (rotate-data) XOR (rotate-data) primitives. "diffusion" can be created by the "ADD" operator (in particular: "carries" will diffuse the bits around).

So XOR, rotate, and Add are the only primitives you need to make a modern crypto-cipher. All three primitives are outrageously fast on modern machines.

AES and other older ciphers tried to make each round relatively high quality. Modern ciphers try to make each round low-quality, and then do something like 64-rounds or 80-rounds to make up for it.

So you'll see old ciphers like AES with just 11 rounds, but modern ciphers / crypto algorithms like SHA256 use 64-rounds.


That's right, but sha256 also utilizes eg shift operation with a fixed length for the result. Meaning: your moving information "out of the scope". Or all the additions: the result is often greater then 32bit (2 words) and therefore being reduced.


Everything in context.

The operation you're talking about is "sigma_0" and "sigma_1" I believe, which is defined as:

sigma_0(x) = Rotate7(x) XOR Rotate18(x) XOR shift3(x).

sigma_1(x) = Rotate17(x) XOR Rotate19(x) XOR shift10(x).

Where "shift3" and "shift10" are both lossy operations.

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While "shift3" and "shift10" are lossy, I'm not 100% certain that "sigma_0" or "sigma_1" is lossy. But that discussion aside, both sigma_0 and sigma_1 are applied to the _message_, not the internal SHA256 state.

The _message_ needs to be compressed, so a lossy operation over the message is not only expected, but required. 4096-bits of input need to become 256-bits of output. 8192 bits of message-input needs to become 256-bits of output.

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But if you look at the "intermediate hash chain" where H(i) = a + H(i-1) for 64 rounds, all operations over "a" and the internal hash-state are invertible operations (SIGMA_0 and SIGMA_1 are both invertible, being (x) XOR (rotate x) XOR (rotate x) style functions).

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I'm not saying that the "whole" hash function needs to be invertible. I'm saying that __particular__ elements of the hash function _should_ be invertible. The design of these particular elements (in particular, SIGMA_0, which is (Rotate2(x) XOR Rotate13(x) XOR rotate22(x))) is _clearly_ and evidently invertible / 1-to-1 and onto bijection / confusion principles.

The particular constants (why "rotate2", "rotate13" and "rotate22") is chosen for other reasons: probably differential cryptoanalysis but I admit that I'm not 100% sure on that (that's my expectation though).




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