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Show HN: Announcing the FaunaDB Add-On for Netlify (netlify.com)
49 points by northstar702 12 days ago | hide | past | web | favorite | 19 comments





I wish they had an option between free and $45/month. I want to deploy a tiny client side js app that requires http auth. I would rather netlify than a VPS, but not at $45.

I'm not sure where you're seeing these numbers?

https://fauna.com/pricing

I see free, on demand (which seems to be the middle ground you want), and $99/mo....oh, I see you're looking at Netlify's pricing, not Fauna's.

Which leads me to ask: why does your project require HTTP Basic Auth? Wouldn't a HTTPS login not only be more secure but also supported under the free tier?


Completely agree.

We use netlify a lot and don't pay, we'd happily pay if there was a reasonable middle way.


Hi there! I'm Lewis, a PM at Fauna.

We built this Add-on so that any developer using FaunaDB and Netlify can come up with an idea and launch it super quickly, by simply focusing on the front-end.

If you’re a Netlify user who has never heard of FaunaDB and want to add a database to your app, we’re the only database with a direct Add-on. FaunaDB a perfect choice for developers who don’t know much about databases, or would rather not worry about such details :)

Users can now create an account and login to FaunaDB with their Netlify account credentials, using a new OAuth login option. Databases created via the Add-on are available for use instantly, and can be managed directly within the FaunaDB Console.


> FaunaDB a perfect choice for developers who don’t know much about databases

And, from the Fauna docs:

> Related documents in FaunaDB are stored within classes (also known as collections), which are similar to tables in relational databases, except that the different items in the class are not all required to have the same fields. Typically, classes correspond to types in your application, for example, blog posts, authors, comments, shopping carts, line items, and invoices. Creating a class is easy as you don’t have to specify constraints or field names.

As someone who's dealing with a long-lived Mongo application, this "you don't have to think/know anything about databases to get started!" thing might start off as a feature, but it'll turn into an anchor.


Hey @vosper, thanks for your feedback!

To clarify, what we mean by simplicity is making databases as simple to work with as using an API. An example of this is native GraphQL support within FaunaDB.

We're continuing to make our database concepts like Collections easier to use and understand. I've made a note to clarify the blog post you are referencing.

Collections come from a NoSQL approach, and allow users to change what's stored in data records over time. We see this as a convenient way to store data, without having to worry about specifying a schema upfront that may change over time.


> without having to worry about specifying a schema upfront that may change over time.

Thing is, there's always a schema. Code always expects data to look a particular way. Whether it's written down and enforced by the DB or not will have a great influence on your ability to reason about your system and make changes down the line.

This sounds like the same mistakes of Mongo all over again. Databases that don't require and enforce schemas trade a degree of early flexibility and development speed for a future of confusion, hacks and workarounds, and lower velocity.

Most people who make this tradeoff aren't aware they're making it. The rest of us use RDBMS.

(I get that you work for the company and I don't expect this comment to change anything - except hopefully the mind of someone contemplating using a no-schema database)


Optional write-time validations are on the roadmap. FaunaDB does enforce unique constraints via indexes already.

FaunaDB is temporal as well and people don't really enjoy migrating the past, so it has to be a little different than a traditional RDBMS schema. But ultimately it will be more flexible as well.


Hi Lewis, thanks for building this.

Would you please list how FaunaDB is better than https://firebase.google.com/pricing , which some people are already familiar with?


Hey there!

Some unique benefits to using FaunaDB: - 100% ACID transactions, with globally consistent reads and writes - Powerful query language (FQL) - Native GraphQL interface - Powerful ABAC system (attribute-based access control) - Flexible architecture. NoSQL database which supports true relationships


FaunaDB is quite amazing. Someone who have used DynamoDB and Cloud DataStore/FireStore extensively, I find FaunaDB is a lot more flexible to build bigger applications with complex data models. Their GraphQL offering is equally good. It works really well with Lambda. Row-level authorisation and other security features are out of the box. Only thing, which stops us to switch to FaunaDB is the lack of search support. Only, if they can stream document changes to Kinesis/PubSub then it can integrate seamlessly with other public cloud services including ElasticSearch.

Thank you! Streaming is coming.

Looked at FDB but was instantly thrown off seeing 180ms to Ireland... What do these numbers represent? Is that a single ping, read, write or something else? https://app.fauna.com/status

It's the write transaction latency from that region. Fauna is a global database and data always commits to multiple global regions for durability.

As you can see, the write latency is pretty consistent regardless of source region, unlike databases like Mongo that are homed in a single location and fast from nearby but slower and slower the farther away the client application is.


Mongo addresses this with partitioning and you can distribute partitions which serve local client applications anywhere. The database as a service for Mongo supports 66 regions across AWS, Azure, and GCP so write latency (regardless of where the client application is) doesn't become an issue.

It's absolutely an issue when multiple applications or users write to the same data from different locations, or when users move around.

If the application only lives in one place you are paying for the latency to reach the application from the remote client in the first place, even if the latency from the app to the database is "fast".

FaunaDB gives you local-latency reads and minimum global write latency from everywhere.


Is the article gone or something? all i see is ![]()

We will look into this...seems like a CDN issue.

Fixed!



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