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I think you touch on something very relevant. I have been there quite a few times and I like it there but many Chinese see Hong Kong people as spoiled and snobbish. Back when China took over Hong Kong, Hong Kong was something special. Today many mainland Chinese cities are just as wealthy and almost as international as Hong Kong; yet Hong Kong clings on to its special status.

Why are these people not fighting for better rule of law in all of China? Where is the solidarity?



Many cities on the Chinese mainland are nearly as wealthy as Hong Kong but none of them are remotely as "international".

And asking "why are [Hong Kongers] not fighting for better rule of law in all of China? Where is the solidarity?" either betrays a serious lack of understanding of how the Chinese political system works or is a question asked in bad faith.


How do you think your average Chinese in the neighbouring regions perceive these protest? Do you think they are sympathetic to your cause?


We have no idea of knowing, but from what I've heard, they are simply not aware. Almost anything with the phrase "Hong Kong" was censored inside mainland China today.


It's not too hard to find something on Weibo, e.g. this post in support of the police [1] where the highest-upvoted comment at 281 votes condemns the police violence [2].

[1] https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4382509644815287 面对困难,香港警察从不畏惧,坚决捍卫法律尊严!@香港警察

[2] 拿枪射无辜民众及记者,一群警察围殴女孩,拿胡椒喷雾射向老人及外国游客,这样就是维护法治吗


The replies to [2] however, show that nobody believed what she claimed.


Huh? That not everyone agrees doesn't mean nobody believed her. The highest-voted reply complains about censorship. The second-highest talks about the police acting in self-defense. The third-highest fantasizes about shooting ... someone (I initially interpreted it to mean the police, but maybe they actually want to shoot the protesters?)


No, the third one says, if the police really could shoot, why did so many other events [that she mentioned] also happen?

Implying that she lied.


Makes sense, thanks. I still frequently misread Chinese texts that appear completely obvious with hindsight.


Chinese government is paying Chinese people 500 HKD (Hong Kong dollars) to cross the border and counter protest so that they can report there are 800k counter protestors.


It looks like you are blaming people for standing up for their rights. The reason they still have special status is also because they have not been shy about fighting for their rights in the past, otherwise it would have been taking away a long time ago. Instead of blaming people for defending their rights (bringing everyone down), perhaps a better avenue would be to stand up with them and also protest and ask for more rights (bringing everyone up).


Yes, that's exactly what he wrote.


Firstly, the proposed law in question affects mainland Chinese people just as much as local HK people (in fact, it affects everyone who steps foot in Hong Kong).

Secondly, what do you think all those Tiananmen Square vigils held in HK every single year for the past 30 years were for?


Not disagreeing, but just want to note that there's a huge difference between the people doing the June 4 vigils (patriotic, love China, older age, want a democratic united China) and the people doing the current protest (young, unpatriotic, hate China, want independence).


If standing up for human rights is unpatriotic, the problem is with the country and not those who stand.


I wouldn't be so sure that they're a completely disjointed set. Many who attended the vigil this year were quite young, for example, while many older people were on the streets as well today.


The CPC will violently crush any attempt to ask for the rule of law in mainland China. If you protest in mainland China you may get Tiananmen Square'd. The authoritarian regime does NOT permit criticism, introspection, or questioning of the CPC regime. Public communication is censored.


That's like saying I shouldn't fight for my rights unless I fight for the rights of every person on planet earth. Where does our obligation to others start and end? No. First and foremost I will fight for my own freedoms.


One reason is simply that most of these cities exist today by virtue of top-down fiat, planning and investment. That is, they owe their present prosperity to the govt.'s policies.


Isn't that impossible without becoming a high ranking member of the Communist party? And isn't becoming a high ranking member of the Communist party impossible to do if you don't mostly agree with the current system of laws in mainland China?




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