This is terrible for screen readers and the like which are unable to read or understand these unicode characters making accessibility a real concern.
Though there too, there are patterns screen readers can attempt to find to figure out when alpha is pretending to be Latin a.
That said, it's still not a great idea to use them for text anywhere. It puts a lot of burden on the reader's pattern matching skills. Not just screen readers, but human readers too; everyone reads them a bit slower, and that's before you consider the usual human skill/ability modifiers such as dyslexia that make these things so much worse, too.
I develop web sites with screen readers in mind, and I would be very surprised if they could handle this sort of thing consistently.
Google spent billions of dollars learning how to search and interpret the web. Screen reading companies don't have that kind of scratch.
Also, it's important to remember that screen readers are about more than just the blind. There are screen readers that help people learn a new language, or translate text into simplified forms for people with low education, or low attention (think of the Mac's built-in text summarizing service).
For people who have a hard time reading custom fonts because of limited sight, or limited attention, they often override custom CSS fonts with something easier to read. This sort of thing will make the page unusable.
This came up at Halloween with all those pleas not to post tweets heavy with emoji due to the issues with screen readers. I get the concern, and I'd typically do my best to be inclusive with personal content and compliant with accessibility on professional content, but there is a balance to be struck - we don't need a Procrustean restriction on what are now reasonably established forms of communication, what we need is for screen reader efforts to step up and work in these cases. It may seem a challenge (especially for legacy coded readers) but other posters already linked to basic solutions that can help on the fonts and this isn't beyond the wit of human ingenuity. This is an opportunity.
Odd fonts like this have a place. For example, I don't expect any screen reader ever to be able to interpret a PETSCII drawing.
For example, it's common in these to use non-latin characters that visually resemble latin characters. But if you were to try and substitute them literally, either as their actual phonetic sound, or a latin equivalent that is semantically similar but visually different, you risk breaking the meaning.
It's a bit like when old manuscripts use letters that look like "s" and "f" in places that seem nonsensical today.
In google's case, it's certainly worth it to write a little interpreter that maps the visual meaning to its latin equivalent so you can get better search results.
I just entered "this is a test" on the site in Safari and enabled VoiceOver. It reads it as "Mathematical Bold Fraktur Small t. Mathematical Bold Fraktur Small h" and so on.
Completely broken for those who rely on VoiceOver as a screenreader.
Anyone know if there are any existing libraries that do this conversion?
auto t = icu::Transliterator::createInstance("Any-Latin; NFKD", UTRANS_FORWARD, status);
unicode normalisation: http://unicode.org/reports/tr15/
Nobody in that thread tried it on an actual screen reader then, either. Someone did mention that iOS got well confused by it, so there's one data point.
Google has a lot of resources to do normalization, when IDNA in the URL bar became common they and other browser manufacturers had to put resources behind similar looking glyph attacks to make sure that you were actually on google.com and not on some site that was using a homoglyph attack.
This may explain why Google is able to discern these use cases.
𝕋𝕙𝕚𝕤 𝕥𝕖𝕤𝕥 𝕥𝕖𝕩𝕥 𝕝𝕠𝕠𝕜 𝕝𝕚𝕜𝕖 𝔼𝕟𝕘𝕝𝕚𝕤𝕙 𝕓𝕦𝕥 𝕚𝕤 𝕦𝕤𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕟𝕠𝕟-𝕒𝕤𝕔𝕚𝕚 𝕔𝕙𝕒𝕣𝕒𝕔𝕥𝕖𝕣𝕤 𝕒𝕟𝕕 𝕤𝕠 𝕚𝕗 𝕥𝕙𝕚𝕤 𝕣𝕖𝕞𝕒𝕚𝕟𝕤 𝕣𝕖𝕒𝕕𝕒𝕓𝕝𝕖 𝕥𝕠 𝕒𝕟 𝔼𝕟𝕘𝕝𝕚𝕤𝕙 𝕤𝕡𝕖𝕒𝕜𝕖𝕣 𝕨𝕖 𝕔𝕒𝕟 𝕓𝕖 𝕣𝕖𝕒𝕤𝕠𝕟𝕒𝕓𝕝𝕪 𝕔𝕠𝕟𝕗𝕚𝕕𝕖𝕟𝕥 𝕨𝕖 𝕒𝕣𝕖 𝕙𝕒𝕟𝕕𝕝𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕦𝕟𝕚𝕔𝕠𝕕𝕖 𝕡𝕣𝕠𝕡𝕖𝕣𝕝𝕪 𝕥𝕙𝕣𝕠𝕦𝕘𝕙𝕠𝕦𝕥 𝕥𝕙𝕖 𝕧𝕒𝕣𝕚𝕠𝕦𝕤 𝕤𝕪𝕤𝕥𝕖𝕞𝕤 𝕠𝕦𝕣 𝕕𝕒𝕥𝕒 𝕥𝕣𝕒𝕧𝕖𝕝𝕤.
Maybe a HN reader using a screen reader can describe how theirs handles these characters.
NVDA: oss, people have hacked in normalization that they can flip on when they hear something that sounds like nonsense, and then flip back off after reading that particular part.
JAWS: people have to listen to a bunch of crap if there's no alttext and will not be able to understand your content
VoiceOver OSX: people have to listen to a bunch of crap if there's no alttext and will not be able to understand your content
However, few PDF generators do this, and not all PDF readers have good support for it. So results vary depending on the specific tools and use-case.
Yes, Firefox for Android doesn't render it properly.
The difference is that UTF-8 gets tested in this regard; multi-byte encoding situations actually occurring in UTF-8 are not rare occurrences that only trigger on funny characters that nobody uses.
(For that matter, four-byte UTF-8 situations are in the same boat, of course, but not two- or three-.)
Yeah. Notorious example here is MySQL's "utf8" column type only supporting 3-byte UTF-8 sequences.
Although, like you say, it would be nice if screenreaders could produce verbal descriptions of iconographic symbols. That would be a lot of work but it would be helpful.
If for example someone uses this to write a mathematical formula, having a screen reader says "F" changes the entire meaning.
Could this be done, absolutely, but it is something to be aware of and is something I noticed on Twitter where blind users were complaining that they were unable to "read" Twitter messages using this, thereby making them second class citizens all over again.
at any rate, both budgets are not infinite, and it's infuriating to hear the described as such.
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𝕀 𝕣𝕖𝕔𝕖𝕟𝕥𝕝𝕪 𝕡𝕠𝕤𝕥𝕖𝕕 𝕒 𝕡𝕣𝕠𝕛𝕖𝕔𝕥 𝕥𝕠 𝕊𝕙𝕠𝕨 ℍℕ,
𝒶 𝓌ℯ𝒷𝓈𝒾𝓉ℯ 𝓉𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝒸ℴ𝓃𝓋ℯ𝓇𝓉𝓈 𝓉ℯ𝓍𝓉 𝒾𝓃𝓉ℴ
𝔐𝔞𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔪𝔞𝔱𝔦𝔠𝔞𝔩 𝔄𝔩𝔭𝔥𝔞𝔫𝔲𝔪𝔢𝔯𝔦𝔠 𝔖𝔶𝔪𝔟𝔬𝔩𝔰.
𝐓𝐨 𝐦𝐲 𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐢𝐭 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐨𝐩,
🅸'🆅🅴 🅽🅴🆅🅴🆁 🅷🅰🅳 🆂🆄🅲🅷 🆂🆄🅲🅲🅴🆂🆂,
𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚒𝚝 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚛𝚎𝚖𝚘𝚟𝚎𝚍, 𝚒𝚝 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝙷𝙽
𝔣𝔢𝔞𝔯𝔢𝔡 𝔴𝔢'𝔡 𝔞𝔟𝔲𝔰𝔢 𝔬𝔲𝔯 𝔫𝔢𝔴-𝔣𝔬𝔲𝔫𝔡 𝔭𝔬𝔴𝔢𝔯.
𝙉𝙖𝙩𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮, 𝙄 𝙘𝙤𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙧 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙖𝙣 𝙞𝙣𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙘𝙚,
𝔸𝕟𝕕 𝕒𝕤𝕜 𝕥𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝕪𝕠𝕦 𝕔𝕠𝕟𝕤𝕚𝕕𝕖𝕣 𝕞𝕪 𝕡𝕝𝕚𝕘𝕙𝕥…
𝑰 𝒂𝒎 𝒂 𝒚𝒐𝒖𝒏𝒈 𝒘𝒆𝒃 𝒅𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒍𝒐𝒑𝒆𝒓,
𝖔𝖋 𝖔𝖓𝖑𝖞 𝖙𝖜𝖔 𝖘𝖈𝖔𝖗𝖊 𝖆𝖓𝖉 𝖊𝖎𝖌𝖍𝖙 𝖞𝖊𝖆𝖗𝖘.
𝕥𝕣𝕪𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕥𝕠 𝕞𝕒𝕜𝕖 𝕞𝕪 𝕨𝕒𝕪 𝕚𝕟 𝕒𝕟 𝕦𝕟𝕗𝕠𝕣𝕘𝕚𝕧𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝕨𝕠𝕣𝕝𝕕.
𝒲𝒽𝒾𝓁ℯ 𝓉𝒽𝒾𝓈 𝓉ℴℴ𝓁 𝒾𝓈 ℯ𝓃𝓉𝒾𝓇ℯ𝓁𝓎 𝒻𝓇ℯℯ,
𝚒𝚝 𝚠𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚑𝚎𝚕𝚙 𝚖𝚎 𝚋𝚞𝚒𝚕𝚍 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚗𝚎𝚌𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗𝚜.
🅢🅞 🅟🅛🅔🅐🅢🅔 🅟🅤🅣 🅘🅣 🅑🅐🅒🅚
𝑰'𝒅 𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒚 𝒂𝒑𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒄𝒊𝒂𝒕𝒆 𝒊𝒕
I read this as sarcastic/self-deprecating humor
I meant one. I'm one score and eight.
日本の作品も (🅙🅐🅟🅐🅝🅔🅢🅔 also works)
中国也有作品 (ℭ𝔥𝔦𝔫𝔢𝔰𝔢 too)
║ Those have been around for a very long time and were very popular on teen blogging platforms like skyrock, myspace, etc. ║
Everything started on SomethingAwful many many years ago.
But you aren’t going to be able to read that either. Try your phone?
Anyway, the point of my post was to show that "you can use almost anywhere" should be taken with an appropriate amount of salt. I take a spoonful.
On Mac, most of the glyps in the title seem to be from STIX font.
I know it from the first reply here, which I would say it's a well known StackOverflow question/answer by now: https://stackoverflow.com/q/1732348/938236
I haven’t delved into the symbol area of Unicode you’re talking about here but I’d bet those all evaluate to “fancy”.
Just looking at the comment section here I have concluded that this is a blight on the web. Sites (unfortunately) should go ahead and update to strip this BS out
for 𝖓 in 𝖗𝖆𝖓𝖌𝖊(50):
if 𝕟 % 15 == 0:
elif 𝓃 % 3 == 0:
elif 𝓷 % 5 == 0:
That's what I assume anyway.
These characters aren't meant to be used to write words and sentences in.
~ $ 𝖑𝖘 -𝖑𝖆
fish: Unknown command '𝖑𝖘'
You can use this as an example: ěščřžýáíasdfghjk
In the end abuse of these characters will lead to even more variants being created covering the accented letters too. You can't leave out all the languages that have an extended alphabet, can you?