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Going gray for smartphone addiction (gogray.today)
65 points by atareh on Jan 15, 2018 | hide | past | favorite | 63 comments



I think it is bullshit, because black and white slot machine still is a slot machine.

[1]: https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/6/8544303/casino-slot-machin...

[2]: https://www.1843magazine.com/features/the-scientists-who-mak...

[3]: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/05/smartphon...

[4]: https://venturebeat.com/2016/04/02/app-makers-its-time-to-st...

[5]: https://medium.com/@anamitra/dopamine-hits-and-product-desig...

Turned on grayscale in macOS(System Prefs - Accessibility - Display) before googling this articles, can confirm that still receiving dopamine hits.


Ingrained associations don't die easily. I remember when I first quit facebook. I still had the habit of quickly pressing "F, enter" for months after I quit. After a couple years though, I hardly ever go through that old routine.

Check out Nicky Case's game about neuroplasticity: http://ncase.me/neurons/

Just now I enabled grayscale via the Android developer menu. I noticed an immediate reduction in intensity. It didn't feel like "bullshit" to me! If you want this to help you, you're probably gonna have to give it a little bit more of an open mind. The attitude of "this is bullshit" could very easily sabotage any positive benefits of this exercise. Big things grow from small seeds, but only if you water them, give them light and make sure they don't get crowded out by more aggressive plants.


> I remember when I first quit facebook. I still had the habit of quickly pressing "F, enter" for months after I quit.

Same.when I run a distraction blocker, I often don't realize I'm firing another ’ctrl+t,f,enter' sequence until I hit the blocker.

It's made me realize how devilishly efficient companies are at exploiting our dopamine cycles. Case in poin: I tried to disable in app purchases in Google Play, but short of removing all payment options (which breaks my project fi billing), there's no way.

For as frustrating as I find it, though, it's devastating to think of the impact on ppl living in poverty,for whom every source of daily relaxation is probably some well funded dopamine dealer trying to extract their $11 / hr pay one micro transaction at a time.


Everyone loves placebo, but after browsing for half hour in grayscale and turning back color there is some kind of wow effect.


It's not the full solution but it's definitely part of it. Colour on my phone overwhelms me now (i've been gray since June)


Color really does pop!

By the way, I definitely agree with you that color is not the only way computer applications are addictive.


It's nowhere near a solution, but it helps a little. Those red notification badges really play tricks with your mind.

Grey-scale + no social media apps + carefully controlling the types of notifications you receive makes a smartphone almost not an unhealthy thing to carry in your pocket.


> I think it is bullshit, because black and white slot machine still is a slot machine.

> Turned on grayscale in macOS(System Prefs - Accessibility - Display) before googling this articles, can confirm that still receiving dopamine hits.

It's not a solution to the whole problem, just part of the problem; specifically this part:

> “Color’s not a signal for detecting objects, it’s actually something much more fundamental: it’s for telling us what’s likely to be important,” Mr. Conway said. “If you have lots of color and contrast then you’re under a constant state of attentional recruitment. Your attentional system is constantly going, ‘Look look look over here.’ ”

These companies are manipulating every physiological knob they can. This is one, addictive dopamine hits are another.


Took me a while to get what this app does, maybe it would be a better idea to link to their homepage: https://gogray.today/

> What was bright and shiny was now dull and boring. It's like turning your favourite dessert into broccoli.

This fantastic analogy it was sold me on signing up, good copywriting:


I understand that the analogy might work for many but I would choose boiled broccoli with olive oil and pepper over any dessert.


The form of the analogy is the important point, not the specifics.

"It's like turning <thing you look forward to eating> into <something you're less enthusiastic about>."


hahaha thank you for that. I know not everyone hates broccoli as much as me :)


Yes, thank you! Same!


we all have different tastes :)


sorry about that! you are definitely right.

and thanks, thought of that myself :)


I started doing this yesterday. I kind of like it and I think I'm getting distracted less with grayscale. I'll unlock my phone and won't forget why I unlocked.

You don't need an app for android to do this system-wide (tho I could see why whitelisting would be nice). Just go to developer options-> Simulate color space-> Monochromacy


yeah! we include the instructions on the website to go gray natively :). The app will have the features listed on the page.


For windows users, there's stuff like http://arcanesanctum.net/negativescreen/, that might be interesting to investigate and/or integrate into this.


I missed the grayscale option at first sight and discarded that solution. Thought it could only invert colors.

To make it clear: NegativeScreen has a grayscale option with default hotkey F11.


After reading this article [1], I created a small "disconnect box" that sits by my front door (it's a repurposed iphone box). When I'm home, and especially when the kids are awake, the phone stays in there. I can hear if someone calls, but otherwise notifications are off. Working quite well so far!

[1] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/technology/your-smartphone-i...


In (iOS && iPhone<9), you can toggle this filter with the triple click trick. In Settings > General > Accessibility > Accessibility Shortcut, select Color Filters, then triple click the home button.


Oh that's cool! going to add that to the iphone part of the website!


The same can be done on Android (Lollipop and above).


I have a fully updated Nexus - if you search Settings for "gray" you get no results. No "direct access" options under Accessibility. Seems like they may have removed it since 7. They do have some color-blind color correction options, but grayscale wasn't something I could find.

ETA: Ah on the "Go gray" page they describe the steps, including enabling Developer Mode first.


How do you do it in Android?


Settings > Accessibility > Direct Access > Grayscale (Tested on Lollipop - may vary on later versions)


Curious how they're planning on technically building the "whitelist apps" and "set grayscale times" features.

Are these possible given iOS's sandboxing?


No, definitely not. Apple recently restricted apps' usage of URL schemes to check whether other apps are even installed on the phone.

It's possible they could be doing something really esoteric with an enterprise app (doesn't need to go through app review) or an MDM profile (can touch some deeper system stuff sometimes), but given that they're currently in the teaser email capture phase, I doubt this will ever crystallize into a real iOS implementation.

I think they're just trying to get some message out, which is fair enough. FWIW, you can always manually set your iPhone to greyscale in system accessibility settings, which they do point out themselves.


The main point of this is definitely to start a "movement"

It's not about me or the app, it's just something that had a profound impact on my life and i'm trying to share that with everyone that might be struggling with this - that's why we include instructions to turn your phone gray natively. The app adds features that have kept some people from going gray even though they really want to (need phone for work and it's too much of a hassle to go menu hopping / navigation apps arent the best in grayscale etc).


I did the native version of this after someone mentioned it in one of the general articles on phone addiction that have been making their rounds on HN since the start of the year. So far I don't feel like it has had much of an effect. I've only noticed two direct behavioral changes for me so far:

1) It is forcing me to wait to watch YouTube videos until I get to a computer because I want to see them in color. That seems like it should be a big gain, but I still find myself scrolling through my YouTube recommendations anyway. Habits die hard I guess.

2) It is also delaying my reading of the couple of web comics I follow since, again, I want to see them in full color.

So I guess my phone usage overall has dropped considerably since YouTube takes up most of my time. I'm already off Reddit starting a couple of months ago and I've been off of Facebook (except Messenger) and Twitter for over a year. So maybe I'm not really the target of all of this, but I definitely spend more time than I would like on YouTube.

I also made a change to my settings so that my phone screen no longer wakes up when a notification arrives. So it is less distracting when sitting on a table.

In addition I saw a couple of other pieces of advice on here to curb phone use: One of them mentioned putting only fast utility apps on your home screen and removing notifications that don't come directly from people (basically every notification except for personal e-mail, human texts, and Slack messages I guess?). I haven't tried either of those things yet but I'm definitely considering it. They both require a bit more thought and planning than simple settings changes.

In regards to the site linked, I have only one additional piece of input: Please stop with the scroll jacking. This is a well known web design anti-pattern. I don't understand why this fad has persisted as long as it has. It literally feels like the site is broken when interacting with it using a click wheel.


Website creator here, thanks for the comment! I do recognize the hate for scroll jacking, however it was the only way for me to set up the website with that effect, do you know of another way? I'd love to make a change (i'll be honest, i didnt know scrolljacking was something that was so despised)

Looking forward to your comment!


Hey thanks for your response!

Please note that this response is only in the context of your home page desktop design on Firefox. I'd need to spend some additional time doing analysis on mobile and other browsers.

In my opinion, the main thing you want to do is not change responses to the user's systems native controls. This is an essential part the principal of least surprise - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishmen...

In your case, my main problem with the design is two pieces, my scrollbar is missing until after the slide show and the animated pieces of the slide show don't move using the same "physics" principals as a bare html page in the same browser. The lack of a scroll bar (I have an optional setting on so it is always visible if present) means that I don't expect there to be additional content on the page. Then when I do try scrolling, ot feels like nothing is happening at all and then I hit some invisible threshold and the page scrolls _for_ me. This feels a little bit like lag, which in any other case would mean that my computer is breaking. That's a bad feeling.

In most cases I would suggest a medium scale redesign - save the font choices, the colors, and some of the layouts but go back to the drawing board on the user interactions. However I know that designs like this continue to be popular and so I'm going to have to keep working on them. I've found that there are some decent compromises out there. So here's what I would suggest:

1) For the transition between the final slide (pip 3) and the actual page content drop the fixed animation entirely. That content should simply be at the bottom of the page the entire time.

2) For the transitions between the 3 images of Venice (or wherever?), I think you're going to need to do a bit of playing around. Ideally the largest object on the screen should move in direct relation (and with a 1 to 1 ratio) to the scrollbar without any delay. The absolutist in me wants to say that you should just place the 3 images in a stack and be done with it, but I realize that's not eye catching enough for the audience you're targeting. In your case one option would be to consider the "largest object" to be the horizontal scan line where one image stops and the other image starts. But the problem there is that you're still going to have to do significant scroll jacking to get that transition point to move...

However, I think you can get an effect like this using transparency or opacity settings and some complex positioning. You might need JavaScript for slide transitions after the first, but I would have to actually build the thing to figure it out. I'll think about it overnight and let you know if I come up with anything! (No promises though!)

Another option might be to use background-clip: content-box; for the transitions and then some JS magic in-between slide transitions to change which image is in the foreground and which is in the background.

The text at the bottom would continue to switch in a slide show style I think. You would have to try it and see.

If you want to preserve the delay between slides, you'll need to add a somewhat large visual element to the design that continues to move as the user scrolls even while the image stays in place, but in this case, I'm not sure if that will be necessary.

None of those solutions will completely remove scroll event listeners, but they will bring the experience back significantly toward being in line with normal system interactions.

This feeling of lack of control vs perfect control is something I look for in the video games I play. I've come to believe that it is the single most important part of game design for me. Games like QWOP and Getting Over It play with this idea intentionally, while historical successes like Mario 64 and Soul Calibur have made waves in the gaming world specifically because their controls are so refined and fluid.

Sorry I wrote so much! I appreciate the work you're doing with this site and I wish you much success!


Wow thank you so much for the detailed response!

I've taken this comment back to my team and we're discussing our next moves now - I think the easiest and most immediate thing we can do is removing the scroll effect on the third screen to the homepage - hopefully that reduces some frustration for you (and i'm sure many others have felt).

Thank you for the kind words! Definitely trying to make an impact in the space :)


I don't quite get why this should work but I'm already enjoying it. Not for addiction, I'm not addicted. But it's calmer. I feel calmer.


took the words right from my mouth haha (or should i say a reader) :P https://blog.gogray.today/content/posts/calm.html


Looks interesting, but it seems to be a landing page to gauge interest with no app available yet.

Edit: To be clear, I set my phone to grayscale a little while ago, so I'm aware that's built in to iOS. I think the additional features that this app idea is proposing on top of that feature are great, but it seems like the app does not yet exist (and perhaps not possible with iOS's limitations).


Not to mention that it's not clear at all that this is intended to de-feature your phone in order to make you use it less.

It's presumed that you have that context before you get here, I guess.


They provide workable instructions for creating this effect on Andriod and iOS, as it doesn't require an app as such.

If an app does come out of this, it'll probably be more about setting greyscale for different other apps.


you're right!

i give instructions for going gray on phones on the website, the app we're developing is desgined to make grayscale easier (whitelisting certain apps that is useful in colour, like google maps, etc).


hey sorry for the misunderstanding, i did link the wrong page.

more context on https://gogray.today

i give instructions for going gray on phones on the website, the app we're developing is desgined to make grayscale easier (whitelisting certain apps that is useful in colour, like google maps, etc).


The scrolljacking on that site is unconscionable.


i know :(, i've been tweaking it but cant get it to work (not a coder by trade)


thought this was timely to post due to the recent article in NYTimes about going grayscale for phone addiction

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/technology/grayscale-phon...


Thanks for the explanatory article; just reading the linked site left me scratching my head wondering what the heck putting my phone in grayscale mode would have to do with "phone addiction".

I'm still not convinced it makes much sense, but at least it's not totally random....


I don't know about the app, but following the instructions on that website I have just set my phone to monochrome mode.

I'm not sure it will assist me to use my phone less, because initially I really like it!

The main use for my phone is to read stuff; news, email and instant messaging. I don't use social networking on my phone (apart from Hacker News if that qualifies). I do use a 2FA app, but colour hardly matters there. I do also take pictures with the phone and perhaps that's the one potential drawback I can think of.

I find the monochrome look easier on the eyes and initially very pleasant to use.


the app may work for you still, if you find grayscale is taking away your ability to take the photos you want - the whitelisting feature would turn it off when you're in your camera (without menu hopping)


I'd be happy to give the Android app a chance, as long as it's available to install from somewhere other than Google Play Store, which I don't use.


i'm sure that can be arranged :)


TLDR: gray-scale reduces your phone usage, they're going to make an app for that, but they have instructions for doing it natively as well.


Funny that their cure for Instagram addiction is to basically apply an Instagram filter to your whole phone. Where's the Gingham option?


Monochrome existed for some time before Instagram.


Setting my phone to gray scale didn't "cure" me from my smartphone addiction. But it did help. In particular, games stopped being fun to play.

I just finished up one week of only carrying an LTE Apple Watch as a smartphone replacement and it has been incredibly effective.


> In particular, games stopped being fun to play.

I'm on a GameBoy kick recently, so that statement stands out, to me.


Ah, fair point. The main difference is that the games I was playing were not explicitly designed for grey scale. If I had been playing on a GameBoy emulator, I wouldn't have even noticed!


For Android

Enable Developer Options:

Settings > About Phone > Build Number (Tap 7-8x)

Enable Grayscale:

Developer Options > Simulate Color Space > Monochromacy


Hm, what about going gray on desktop? Any solutions for windows?


If you have NVidia graphics, open NVidia control panel and set "Digital Vibrance" to 0% from here.

[0] https://superuser.com/a/480524/125700


How does one get the app? The whitelist feature would be game-changing.


sign up for the beta! it'll be released soon :)


because no one ever watched black and white movies or tv shows...


Judging how it is impossible to watch a b&w movie with friends today, pretty much. If all my mp3's were shellac records, i would listen less, but value my time listening more.


great analogy! It's not about all or nothing but frequency :)


I have this thing called self-control and discipline. It doesn't cost anything except respect for one's self. Throwing technology and apps at character flaws isn't a long-term solution for anything and only feeds consumerism and materialism.




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