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It's not hard to be atheist or agnostic and a Buddhist. It's fundamentally a very god-optional religion (though some traditions add them back in, like Jodo Shinshu).


Statements about the nature of reality arrived at through a mystical methodology conflict with scientific materialism even if no god is involved.


Perhaps so, but neither atheism nor agnosticism is equivalent to scientific materialism.


No, but I'd be willing to bet that a large portion of the atheists here are atheists because of such a viewpoint.


Precisely. I don't care two shits whether God exists or not, frankly--that's not the interesting question. And "scientific materialism" is a bad way to cast it--materialism is a metaphysical system while science is an epistemic system.

I'm nonreligious because I don't believe claims without a good argument behind them. Buddhism is a set of claims without any good arguments just the same as Christianity, whether or not those claims are about gods and resurrected demigods or not.


I agree that's probably true, but I don't understand your point. I was just observing that Buddhists are likely to also be atheists, since the OP seemed to consider overlap unlikely.


Ha! I actually just finished arguing with somebody about the possibility of an agnostic Christian.

(I think this is possible)


Many schools of buddhism revere different buddhas as gods, believe reincarnation, a buddhist hell, etc. All too familiar.

All religions have something useful to be gleaned, as do nearly all books, even if the useful content of that book amounts to a single sentence.


Those ideas are not the core of buddhism. Its like saying that christians believe in the easter bunny. They are just historical and cultural baggage that got along for the ride.


No. You both are wrong.

Buddhist hell is not a place or something to believe in, but it's an explanation of a certain state of mind. The same for god.

So it's not a tradition or something to believe in (btw it's nothing to believe in buddhism as it'd contradict the basis of a buddhism where you just practice with the guidance of your teacher, you don't believe in things but rather check them).

Btw it's a pity and quite a cultural harm that mistranslations or just inability of western discoverers of buddhism to think beyond some closed view caused spreading lots of bullshit about buddhism.




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