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When I bought a fridge some years ago, the capital cost of a new fridge was about €100, the annual operating cost was about €50. Investing in a more efficient fridge pays of quickly. Second hand fridges (€50 capital, €80 operating) made no sense.

And this is not a mere frugality argument. The economics more or less reflects environmental impact as well. There is a point where discarding a perfectly functioning but inefficient appliance for a newer is the environmental choice.



My wife and I want to get a new fridge, but almost everything new out there (consumer-oriented) won't fit into the space our current fridge occupies.

Our house was built in the 1970s, with 8 foot ceilings. Also, in the kitchen area for the fridge, the standard thing was to put a cabinet above the fridge; so we are limited in height. Newer homes have 9 foot or higher ceilings, and recently, new fridges has grown a bit taller. Tall enough, so that while one might fit into our space, it wouldn't have enough clearance around the top to provide proper air circulation for the unit.

So our choices have been limited by what the market wants:

1. Remove the cabinets (which would be really expensive for the small remodelling effort on top of the cost of a new fridge).

2. Get an ugly new fridge (some of the over-unders will fit, but they tend to be much smaller than we want, and have other features missing - though they do tend to be much cheaper).

3. Move to a new house (not a reasonable option at this time).

4. Purchase an older fridge that'll fit.

So right now, we're "nursing" our current side-by-side along; it still runs ok and keeps things cold, but the ice maker no longer works, nor does the water on the door. We've considered getting those fixed, but it would likely cost several hundred dollars, and the fridge is closing in on 20 years old anyway.

One other option we're considering is going with a commercial unit; unfortunately, from what we've researched, such units are not sized properly at all for a consumer kitchen (too deep, too tall, too narrow, or too wide).

So our only real option is #4 - unless we want to spend a big chunk of change in one manner or another.


We paid around €700 for an A+++ fridge from AEG which produced way too much ice and condensation and broke down after 6 years. Horrible investment. We replaced it with a €850 AEG fridge.


I'm curious, you seemed to have a pretty bad experience with your first AEG fridge. What made you go for the same brand again?


It wasn't my first choice, but when ordering an entire kitchen, it's easiest when all machines come from the same manufacturer. Bosch was another option, but slightly more expensive. AEG let us stay within our budget.

And although I admit I've hated AEG for their crappy fridge, it's probably not AEG's fault. It was installed by an independent installer, and it seems he royally fucked up. Although I think we did have an AEG mechanic take a look at the fridge, and he didn't fix the problems. So AEG isn't entirely blameless.

Still, they're supposed to be good, even if our fridge was basically wasted.

In the end, though, it was really my wife who made the decision. She apparently doesn't hold irrational grudges against manufacturers like I do.


I think a brand is a very poor predictor of quality. For starters, the link between brand and manufacturer is tenuous at best. Brands get sold all the time.


There are only two or three big manufacturers left, and they each own many brands. They rotate which one is reliable to create more consumer confusion and trick you into buying major appliances more frequently.

The difference between a 3 year and 20 year fridge is usually only a few dollars (maybe 10), and has nothing to do with efficiency.

Case in point: The outer shell of new chest freezers are made of substantially thinner sheet metal and paint. This causes them to dent rapidly, and, in moist climates, rust through. It also reduces shipping and manufacturing costs, since it cuts the weight by a few pounds.


> They rotate which one is reliable to create more consumer confusion and trick you into buying major appliances more frequently.

Do you have a source for this? It may well be true, but to my ear it sounds like one of those "everybody knows..." conspiracy theories.


Interesting, a €100 fridge is good enough ? I had to buy an expensive one for idiotic reasons, but I thought that cheap ones were probably innefficient.


Ikea, at least at the time, had very affordable fridges with A++ and A+++ energy certification. I trusted the energy certification, and assumed name-brands had no significant advantage over white-labeled (since it's all Chinese import anyway). It lasted a at least decade till I sold it to the next tenant (at a profit ;)).


Interesting, thanks.

We have a small fridge in our small kitchen which will need replacing soon as the door has gone rusty underneath and the seal is beginning to go.

It used to be a standard size of fridge but they're all wider and deeper now (maybe to allow thicker walls for better efficiency - the internal dimensions are often no bigger) and we can't find a name brand model to fit in the space, only cheap budget brands. So it's good to know that a cheap fridge can be just as good.

Meanwhile, our other name brand white goods have needed replacing after 2-3 years each. It's impossible to find anything with a decent warranty. Strange to remember that my parents' fridge, cooker, washer, drier when I was a teenager were all older than me.


Ikea also has a 5 year warranty on their electrical appliances.


actually big appliances don't make that much sense to build in China and import... because they're big. there are quite a few factories on EU territory for this reason. always worth checking.


The cost of moving things like fridges is almost entirely in the last few miles. Shipping heavy things is really, really cheap (in bulk).


i understand that it's not about weight but volume/footprint and by correlation time from factory to warehouse to shop/customer. having factory on the same continent cuts your supply chain response time by months which means you can allocate floor area better.

OTOH i don't sell fridges, so that's all just thinking aloud :)


Still, Poland is a major production hub for heavy appliances (fridges, washers, dishwashers).


Well, maybe they're actually simply competitive ;-). And don't forget that factories cost a lot, as does training personnel - so if poland happened to have a stable enough climate and rules that don't scare away investors, then than might well compensate for a higher hourly wage (and in any case, wages in china aren't exactly what they were 20 years ago!). Finally, I'm not sure what kind of tariffs and bureaucratic issues there are - some perhaps overhead; but some to ensure product safety and standardization - but that too means importing has some extra costs.

I'm totally no expert, but any or all of that sounds more plausible than shipping cost issues; I did some quick googling and rough guesstimation (40ft container fits 67 cubic meters, so say 33000$ of goods, at around 1000$ to ship from shanghai to rotterdam), and I guess it's no more than a 3% surcharge; possibly less if you consider I bet I didn't find the best deals. It's not nothing, but neither is it particularly shocking (and you might save on trucking costs because you can pick the port and that port is likely particularly well connected).




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