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How do you determine whether or not discrimination is partly responsible for the disparity?


I don't know, but I honestly don't see companies refusing to hire people on the basis of sex or gender, because it doesn't make finansiel sense.


I think I understand what you mean, but I find it problematic. Do I understand you to mean unless a company refuses to hire based on sex/gender across the board, there's no discrimination?


Well yes, of cause there could be issues with the people doing the hiring discriminating, due to personal opinions. In the case from the article, with Facebook only hiring one black women, it's not really relevant, when we don't know how many black women applicants they had. Ignoring everything else they should have hired 30 black women, assuming California demographics. Honestly I think it's more to do with women picking other careers and more black people being poor and not having the resource to acquire the skills Facebook seek (which of cause it a problem in it self).


How do you think these underlying problems be addressed? Thanks for showing you're willing to dig into this.


Some of them don't need to, it's okay that e.g. men and women are interested in different careers. The most obvious is that everyone need equal access to education. A persons lack of education should never be due to the misfortune of his or her environment.

As for companies, I don't think they are racist or sexist, so for large companies maybe dual interviews processes, to avoid a racist manager eject a person due to race.

It's not easy, if discrimination is really so wide spread as people would have us believe, then we need to start finding out why. If it's just people being asshole, then there's not really anything we can do, and we need to avoid these people and their companies.


It's not easy, if discrimination is really so wide spread as people would have us believe, then we need to start finding out why. If it's just people being asshole, then there's not really anything we can do, and we need to avoid these people and their companies.

If I understood your earlier comment, you were pointing towards there being underlying problems not limited to company hiring processes, or perhaps even outside of companies in particular. Here it looks like you're talking about companies again. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on discrimination/disparities outside of companies. Or did I misunderstand your earlier comment?


Outside companies I really have no clue to be honest, it's mostly down to upbringing I think.

Edit: companies are easy, because their motivation is always clear, people are.... weird


I agree people are weird, and their group interactions can be hard to characterize or understand. And this is a particularly contentious and difficult issue.

Let me try to summarize what I hear you saying:

There are demographic disparities everywhere between the general population and any given field. Some of those disparities may be due to discrimination, but to what extent discrimination may be playing a role is hard to determine. Companies (for the most part) aren't engaging in blatant discrimination. Some of the disparity is likely due to career choices that are in part a result of how people are brought up and their educational opportunities. As far as education goes, no one should be deprived of educational opportunities due to environmental factors.

Is that an accurate representation? I don't want to be putting words in your mouth or creating a straw man, as that serves no one. Please do correct or improve my summary where needed.

I think your point regarding educational opportunities is particularly important. How do you think this can be improved, in as far as decreasing disparities due to educational opportunity environment differences?




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