I'm not questioning freedom of speech or self expression or anything like that. I'm simply saying, if you build a tool / live example / whatever and intend to show it to people - you probably should try to keep it professional.
As for the actual tool - cool? Markdown is great amongst programmers but ask random internet user what markdown is and they'll look at you like you have 3 heads. I've never understand the use of this outside of programming in things such as content editors or such.
I wonder if I'm an anomaly and no one else cares, if other people feel the same way as I do, or if for every person like me, there's someone who is more inclined to click because they saw a swear word?
Now seriously, it's probably due to cultural differences. Is profanity that frowned upon on the US (or wherever you're from)? It's surprising how sensitive the US is towards profanity for a country where "fuck" is used extensively in media.
I literally didn't think anything about the domain but it's probably because lighthearted profanity is much more pervasive in my culture, where it's used as an emphasis tool (and less for its shocking value in media). We don't censor (beep) swear words on TV either (which BTW seems ridiculous from our point of view).
Yes, I'm not going to swear in a professional setting, but I'm not going to think less of someone for their use of words. Words are just words. Swear words don't hurt me any more than non-swear words if they're not meant to hurt anyone.
It's a simple "fuck yeah". It's supposed to be an expression of joy. How does that hurt you at all? Why would it make you less inclined to click on it? Genuinely curious.
EDIT: Also, regarding that "what if there were 5-year-olds visiting this site" point I've seen elsewhere... In my country everyone swears and children aren't traumatized or anything. As soon as kids are old enough to recognize the subtext they refrain from swearing (in front of adults) themselves.
Don't swear in front of toddlers though. They'll repeat it over and over again.
So it's a weird feedback loop - if words aren't deemed to be profane, no one thinks twice about them. If words are deemed to be profane, some people will ban them, which makes other people not use them just because they're not supposed to be used.
Censorship can actually propagate profanity, in this sense. As language changes, words can become unacceptable (How many Richards are using the common nickname these days? Would you use the three-letter British term for a cigarette anymore?) or acceptable (apparently 'leg' and 'bull' were frowned upon in Victorian times).
I'm aware of all this. And, to be honest, I'm not as offended as my comments probably make me out to be. I usually just pass this stuff by, but since someone had already commented I figured I'd chime in as well.
For me, there are words that I don't want to say for cultural reasons, so I follow the 'you are what you eat' principle. If I don't saturate myself with language that I don't want to use, I'm less likely to use it. Also, there are often times when I find that stronger language is reflective of attitudes that I don't want to have. So I wouldn't replace 'suck' with 'stink' when I want to express that someone isn't good at something; rather, I'd try to phrase my criticism in a more constructive way.
It's not that I'm, gasp! offended, by the use of a "dirty word", but rather that this kind of gratuitous swearing seems designed purely to make the website somehow appear "cooler" than it would otherwise be with a simple boring name.
Personally, I don't buy it. To me, it simply makes the author appear juvenile, decidedly un-professional, caring more about appearance than substance. It is exactly the kind of childish stunt I would expect from the "brogrammer" crowd. It's fucking embarrassing already!
Well, I though the title was trying to be juvenile (and definitely didn't strive for professionalism) on purpose. I took it less seriously than I would've otherwise but not to the point of making me less inclined to click it... I thought that's what the author meant to do, signal that the tool is just a toy/experiment and nothing too serious.
We don't have brogrammers around so definitely cultural differences :P
In reality, it's not. The way you describe profanity is exactly how everyone I know here who uses it. It's just that we also have a culture of busy-bodies who think everyone should have to adhere to their lifestyle. They are a minority, but they are this particular type of pain in the ass in most aspects of life, so it's easy for them to make a lot of noise all on their own.
However I would never share them on FB, Twitter etc., as here locally (Kenya), swear words are much less accepted than in the West.
Whenever I see fuckyeah anywhere, I immediately think it's a tumblr user or thing. My bias of course, but I can't be the only one...
Also, had I paid more attention to the URL before clicking there's no way I'd have clicked on it whilst at work. I am now waiting for the Office Internet Police to come and have word with me :(
Not everybody builds things with mass appeal in mind.
Not everybody has to understand the reason for something.
Some things are done for ourselves and how we like them, regardless if it has some sort of use case.
As for Markdown, I'm a technical and marketing content writer and I use Markdown all day. I use it because it's easy to mark simple document elements like headers and formatting, it can be scripted so, for example, I can grab the URL of my most recent safari tab and use it to create a properly formatted link using the text I have highlighted with a keyboard shortcut, because I can easily export it to HTML, docx, or PDF depending, and because word processors suck for serious writing.
Makes me think this conversation from a while ago at my work:
CIO - It's okay to swear in commit messages.
Lead Programmer - Yeah, I'm just deciding between shit and crap.
Unless, of course, they include the obligatory disclaimer that "my swear words are not necessarily those of my employer". :)
Frequent open-source involvement is also the reason why I won't ever swear in commit messages. The closest thing is that I put "I'm stupid" as commit message whenever I have to fix up a typo or obvious slip from the previous commit.
Fuck. That. Shit.
EDIT: for a site that is focused on startups and entrepreneurship, y'all get really pissy when anyone challenges the employment status quo. When corporate culture can censor how people talk in colloquial ways, ways that are not at all harmful to anyone because words aren't magic, the culture is sick and rotten.
What next? "TRIGGER WARNING: CURSE WORD AHEAD"
I just hope he didn't code this while wearing jeans, as those are only permitted on casual Fridays. KEEP IT PROFESSIONAL, HACKERS
Besides, they are much cooler people than the rest of us and it is really important that we understand that.
2) Can you think of an example where some kind of language is offensive to you but not to someone else? If so, I hope you'd be able to relate to people you disagree with on this issue instead of denigrating them.
3) If a 5-year-old was in this forum, would you be more disapproving of profanity for their sake?
2) I cannot. I can be offended by things people say, but language itself is not offensive.
3) No, it's not my responsibility to censor myself to support archaic beliefs about other people's children.
2) Functionally, this seems like a distinction without a difference. If you disagree, please elaborate as I'd like to understand more.
3) In other words, swearing is a moral issue, and your moral code is superior?
For what it's worth, I agree with you to a certain extent - people need to learn to not be offended at the slightest thing. Thick skins are good, because controlling how you react to the world around you is generally way better than trying to control the world around you. And you'll hopefully note that I never said that the site should be banned for profanity or something like that - just that I prefer not to visit such a site.
I don't think this is a zero-sum game. If I know that someone might be offended by something I say, I can make the choice to modify my rhetoric to accommodate them, or keep my speech the same because I believe that offending someone else is worth what I have to say. How that plays out practically will be different in different situations.
2) take the word "fuck" for example. I don't find it offensive in the least. It's a fascinatingly versatile word. If someone stubs their toe, and shouts "fuck", I am not offended. If someone looks me in the eye, points their finger, and says, "fuck you", I am offended. The word is the same, the context is different. The offense seems therefore to be derived from the context, not from the word.
3) No, again back to point #1. The presence of someone's offspring, in no way can or should obligate me to follow their moral values. Asking me to refrain from swearing because of delicate children's ears is someone imposing their moral code to determine my behavior.
I 100% agree with your last 2 paragraphs. I alter my language depending on context, anyone with a modicum of social skills does that. I was just responding to your original individual bullet points.
To add a little levity, I recommend everyone watch the YouTube video about the versatility of "fuck". Of course, please use headphones in order to not offend anyone around you. (sorry, had to be slightly tongue in cheek there -- hope you don't mind me poking a little fun)
2) I guess if someone said something racist. (but then it would be more the racism that I find offensive and not really the words that they used)
3) No I wouldn't. I wouldn't give a shit if people of any age, including 0-5 year olds heard offensive language. They probably heard all of those words already. The only difference is that they will make a big deal about it, because their parents/teachers told them it was a 'naughty' word. There is no need to make a big deal about it, and that was what my point was.
And there's a difference between being offended by swear words and welcoming them in a corporate environment..
Think the impact tends to be overstated somewhat.
If spoken, the speaker can first check to see if the immediate context is appropriate. Then it's just a memory.
In writing, like on the web, there's more persistence. Sweary words online can be brought into inappropriate situations later. This can reflect badly on the author, in the eyes of some.