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> All of the information of our world is contained in text

Communicate the concept of "green" to me in text.

The sound of a dog barking, a motor turning over, a sonic boom, or the experience of a Doppler shift. Beethoven's symphony.

Sour. Sweet. What does "mint" taste like? Shame. Merit. Learn facial and object recognition via text.

Vertigo.

Tell a boxer how to box by reading?

Hand eye coordination, bodies in 3 dimensional space.

Look, I love text, maybe even more than yourself. But all these things imbibe, structure and influence or text, but are not contained in them.

To make substantial inroads to something that looks like human esque AI, text is not enough. The division of these fields are artificial and based on our current limited tech and the specialisation of our researchers, faculties and limitations.

When we read, we play back memories, visions, sounds, feelings, etc, and inherent ideas gained through experience of ourselves as physical bodies in space.

Strong AI, at least to be vaguely recognised as such, must work with algorithms and machinery that understand these things, but which then works at that next level of abstraction to combine them into proper human type concepts.

Of course, there is the question about why we would want to create a human like AI, it's my contention that human like AI isn't actually what many of us would want, but that's another topic...




I think you're over-romanticizing the problem.

I won't touch the qualia aspect, but everything necessary to flawlessly pretend to understand the color green, the sound of a dog's bark, or the experience of hearing a sonic boom can be represented with text. As an existence proof, you could encode an adult human as a serial stream of characters.


Are blind or deaf people not intelligent?

But if you must pretend to be sighted and hearing, there are many descriptions of green, of dogs barking, of motors, etc, scattered through the many books written in English (and other languages.)

Are these descriptions perfect? Maybe not. But they are sufficient to mimic or communicate with humans through text. It's sufficient to beat a Turing test, to answer questions intelligently, to write books and novels, and political arguments, etc. If that's not AGI, I don't know what is.


Yes they are. However, is a blind, deaf, person with absolutely no motor control, no sense of touch, and no proprioception intelligent? Unclear. They certainly have no language faculties.


But a blind person can't describe green. A deaf person can't describe the sound of a motorboat. A person without taste can't describe mint flavor. That is the point I was making.

I don't propose that a human could lose all of their senses and still be able to communicate. But I do believe computers could do so, if they are designed to do that. Humans are not designed to work lacking those senses.


So a blind person would never be able to understand the different categories of color (other than that they are placeholders for distinct categories of something).

Now we are just speculating. We believe a computer might be able to understand things for which it doesn't have the sense - but that is speculation and totally untested, and certainly can no longer be justified by using human minds as an example.


A blind person could pretend to be sighted though. There have been blind authors who wrote about sighted characters, for instance. They need not experience the thing themselves. Just learn from experience how sighted people behave and describe things, and mimic that.


Can you provide any examples of blind (from birth) authors giving convincing visual descriptions from the points of view of sighted characters?

That seems hard to believe.


You can explain red by saying it's a "warm" color for example. Metaphors work, analogies, senstion from one sense can be explained using sensations from another. Now you need to have at least one sense, which machines clearly don't.


I don't think raw feels, qualia type stuff really counts as information in the information theoretic sense. Nor is understanding its nature necessary for artificial general intelligence (though perhaps it is (or perhaps not) for artificial consciousness, which is not the same thing.)


One way of looking at it is that some robots know how to walk, and this knowledge is encoded as a string of ones and zeros on a storage medium.




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