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Because you're not paying enough to get that service?

This is actually a very valid point. The whole world works on equilibrium points between cost and annoyance. For the majority of things that point is closer to annoyance. Micro-annoyances usually go unnoticed.

I am paying enough, the prices are no different from restaurants with proper menus and wait staff. Again: Why must I peck around on a screen for ants and receive the bare minimum of service, at full market price?

On a similar vein: Why do I not get a small discount, say 1%, if I go and use a self-checkout instead of going to a manned checkout? The cashier isn't serving me, so why am I paying for his wages?

I am, of course, fine with receiving less service if I am expected to pay less accordingly.


Indeed. Unless you're some kind of VIP, the relationship between you and the restaurant is that serving you is the necessary dance required to get money from you, to be done as cheaply as possible. You don't pay enough for the business to actually care about responding to your individual preferences; it's cheaper to let you go and for a less preferential customer to take your place.

This is the usual race to the bottom on the market.


I think this attitude is true for many businesses, but not restaurants.

Restaurants are one of the few areas of the market where local businesses that are deeply connected to their communities still thrive.

There are plenty of restaurants & pubs near me who recognise me as a regular customer by name. The people at those places genuinely enjoy making their customers happy. It's much easier to care when your customers are living, breathing human beings with names you know whom you see frequently. The same can't be said for McDonald's, but there are places that aren't so soulless.


Spoken like someone that has never run a business

Spoken like someone that has just started to run a business and has not yet gotten burned out from asshole patrons/users/clients that absolutely ruin the experience. In my experience, it is the middle of the spectrum of users to shoot for. The upper to top end expecting so much stuff to be given to them and expect way too much babysitting and pampering at the expense of other customers and give lots of attitude. The middle segment just wants the service at a fair price and to be treated with respect and are typically polite about it. Then the lower end wants the same services at the lower price tiers and complains that there are other things not included at the base price. There's no way to make everyone happy all the time.

> It's like glass windows getting thicker on the bottom over the centuries.

They actually don't. If a glass window is a thicker at the bottom it's just because it was considerably more difficult to make them perfectly even in previous centuries and people probably had a slight tendency to install them with the thicker parts on the bottom, but you can find centuries old glass windows that are thicker at the top.


I don't think people actually flow downwards, either... but its a fun thought.


A lot of people dislike any tool that actually has wide spread usage. No one complains about tools that have been abandoned.


"There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses." - Bjarne Stroustrop


Is this supposed to be sarcastic?


The poster's past month of comments appears to be nearly entirely elon focused. So guessing no, just culty fever.


I haven’t gone through their entire comment history but I immediately saw multiple negative comments about Elon there. The comments are indeed all about Elon though.


> trillion dollar segment

Of course.


Poe's Law claims another victim.


Yeah. Refusing to arrest a "PoC" is definitely the thing to be worried about here. Because if there's one thing american police are known for, it's their deference to "PoC".

Seriously, what the hell? Your first reaction to this article is that you're worried it will prevent "PoC" from being arrested? At what point in american history has that ever been an issue?


My first reaction was to raise concern about alignment, and came up with an example that has nothing to do with current or past events, instead describing a hypotetical future scenario that might possibly play out if current AIs were tasked to issue a report, which are (IMO) overly tuned to be exceedingly sensitive to racial issues and would thus be likely fail to be neutral.


I hate when they do that. They're always out to get me. They're tricky like that. They have evil agendas. Damn them.


I always find it odd that places like reason.com, with their very specific ideology, are also so very against competition for businesses. I'm not sure why I find it odd, I just assumed that people like that would be in favor of increased competition in the marketplace.


Mergers can actually increase the competitiveness of a sector if two smaller players can stay alive by merging and more effectively compete with the bigger players. An example is the proposed grocery merger of Kroger (#4) and Albertsons (#9), which the FTC is trying to block. https://progressivegrocer.com/pg-100-ranking-top-food-retail...

If the political left consistently supported competition it would support charter schools and vouchers instead of the neighborhood public school monopoly.


Education is a supreme public good. Privately-run charter schools do nothing more than siphon money away from state-run schools. Competition does exist in the public education sector. To wit: magnet schools.

Even if privately-run charters issue a certain number of needs-based scholarships or give preference to minorities or lower-income students by reserving a certain number of slots in a lottery-based system, these private charters will over time return us to a world where by and large only the economically privileged are educated.


> Mergers can actually increase the competitiveness of a sector if two smaller players can stay alive by merging and more effectively compete with the bigger players.

You're describing multiple companies coalescing into fewer companies. How does that do anything to increase competition?

> An example is the proposed grocery merger of Kroger (#4) and Albertsons (#9)

I want the merger to fail precisely because it seriously reduces competition in my area. If this goes through, then very nearly all grocery stores (and literally all of the major grocery stores) around me would be Kroger, and I very strongly want to avoid having to do business with Kroger.


Last I checked, "free market competition" isn't one of the major principles of the american political left.

Speaking as someone who is probably to the left of, say, you in specific, I'm a fan of competition where it makes sense: businesses that are easily replaceable and political candidates, and not where it doesn't make sense: utilities and public schools.


So I see this type of argument come up a lot and I'm curious about the logic.

Why do you "respect his right" to donate to his cause (prop 8) you don't respect the other person's right to remove him as ceo?


Is Mozilla Foundation political activist organization?

When you donate to MF, you do that in order to further MF mission. Political activism should not be that[1]. When Eich donated to his cause, he did to organization that had the cause in it's mission; he did not set additional condition (e.g.: fire these people, because I don't like some aspect of their look and they refuse to change).

[1] Now, interesting thing would be to know, how many people didn't donate to MF since they turned into political activist organization.


Mozila is not a political organization but someone in a position of power took an action that hurt some big donors. Those donors are well withing their right to stop donating after that.

But since they believe in the foundation mission, despite the actions from the leadership, they looked for an compromise that Eich accepted (apologizing) and then refused to fulfill his end (the real big problem).

At this point there was no more compromise, either Eich is out or the donors are and Mozilla does not have the luxury of losing donors, most of their money may come from Google but for then every penny counts.

This was not political activism by Mozilla, it was choosing between a rock and a hard place, either losing a big chunk of money or loosing the CEO and making some irrelevant people unhappy, the best decision is very clear to me, CEO is easy to find a replacement, money not so much and 99% of the people complaining are not either.

This was political activism by the donors and they are totally within their right to do it with their money.


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Please make your substantive points without crossing into personal attack. Your comment would be fine without the second sentence.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Sorry, frustrating that a lie goes around the world six times before the truth can put its boots on. Also that I've abided by Mozilla NDAs while others there (or who used to be there) have not.


I was not repeating someone else lies, i was discussing the topic posted with my understanding on what was posted here with the information i had at the time.

Your replies to him were posted much later then my comments and by the time you posted i could not edit or delete my post.

I did posted some other reply further down in this thread that while were posted after you replies i wrote then before i saw your replies, so also based solo on the information post by the OP.

If the information is incorrect then my apologies.

To anyone else looking at this please look at the OP posted here and at Eich replies and reach a conclusion by yourselves.

@dang if you see this fill free to delete my comments.

EDIT: just to add that i have sent an email requesting my comments to be deleted, although i do not know how long that might take.


Thanks for this, I misread your comment. Sorry about that.

It's still tricky to believe a claim made by one person on the Internet, but in this case, I think one should look at who said it, when they said it, whether it's credible (this "board secret plan" claim is not), and what people directly involved have and have not said. I've said my peace now.


Which donor? Only Google and Microsoft make up 90% of Mozilla income. So a 10% guy is that powerful? Epstein? Mozilla turned too political in the last 10 years. I dont bother with that ki d of company. Anyway, Brave is damn good compare to sluggish Mozilla especially their older gecko. Their newer quantum also terrible when compared to Brave, Arc, or even a niche Floorp or Thorium. VPN? I go with Proton or setup my own. As for app? Dolphin and Opera works way better. Mozilla is a relic. They turn themselves one.


It does not matter which donor.. MF does not have many new sources of money coming around so they need to keep every penny they get coming.

Even if Google and Microsoft were 99% of their income they can still do not have the luxury of losing that extra 1%, loosing the CEO is still a better option then loosing 1% of their income.

And unless you were donating anything closer then that 1% to MF then you and your opinion are irrelevant for their situation. You may belive they are political all you want, it will not change the fact that they could not afford to loose that donor.

As for the other browsers, they are a joke, Brave, Dolphin and Opera are all just chrome with a different skin, might as well be using chrome then. No thank you.

Any browser that use webkit is ultimately bound by google decision on what they want to do with their engine, just like when google make manifest v3 the only one available next june and break most, if not all, ad blockers. It will affect all those browsers eventually.

Now if any of those browsers want to keep manifest v2 to keep ad blockers working they will have to put the manpower to do it themselves and have to fight Google every step of the way because Google will surely start breaking things they need for the effort, the amount of work will only grow over time until they give up.


Google's not removing the internals for webRequest, as far as we can tell they have internal and "enterprise" needs.


Maybe it should be political activist organization. As it comes to topics that are important for the mission it holds. Nothing wrong in being political activist in relation to these topics.

Now, it should be purely and absolutely neutral in any other area that is outside the mission.


Well sure I think that in broad moral strokes you have the right to not support someone who you disagree with. (BTW not sure if you saw the comment Eich posted here yesterday, dang has now deleted it for policy violations, but it looked like Eich was saying that the donors didn't try to force him out, and that doing so would have been illegal under California law. So make what you will of that...)

But at the end of the day I would rather live in a society where we have the ability to cooperate with other people in the pursuit of a good cause, even if we disagree with them about some other cause. Like if you follow the attitude of those donors to its logical extreme where do we end up? We end up with no one cooperating on anything, many projects that could have improved society never happen, many opportunities for people with differing viewpoints to learn about each other's perspectives never occur, and so on.

I think if you take what those donors did to the logical extreme you end up with some form of societal collapse, and history teaches us that what happens after that is a strongman shows up and enforces a far worse type of social order.

I think those donors pulling out of Mozilla hurt the cause of free software, hurt Mozilla, and was one instance in a multi-year process of American political polarization that led to the election of a demagogue like Donald Trump, and is still going on. All because one guy in the C-suite had a bad position an issue that was totally unrelated to Mozilla. This is a very dangerous road for our society to tread.

I actually read a blog post at one point by the donors about their decision - short version is Prop 8 would have prevented them from marrying and one of them was here on a visa which they would have lost. So I really feel for them and understand why they would be angry at Eich. Still think they should have selected a different outlet for it.


So 18 years ago "they" said it would be 50 degrees ... 12 years ago? What?

And exactly who do you think is profiting?


That reminds me, somewhat tangentially, of working with a personal trainer in a gym and made some comment about a particular type of movement being done in a more "efficient" way and the dude was just like "that's not the point", and playing starcraft more efficiently is likewise not the point.


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