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Making the perfect the enemy of the good?

How are they good? They literally helped my competitors to out-compete me using free money from a money printer. I had to work hard for my money to buy stuff from the same markets; whose prices they drove up using free money.

If you factor out ignorance, it's as evil as it gets.

And yes, if you're living paycheck-to-paycheck, you are competing in the market against homeless people for limited goods. That's the modern reality. Most people are precariously close to being homeless.

If the rich started donating a lot of money to all the homeless people, I'd probably become homeless myself because rents for low-cost accommodation would go up because of all the free money flooding that market...

Then surprise, surprise, when it'd be my turn to get my free money, rich people wouldn't have any money left to spare for me because the problem would have become too large by then due to perverse incentives they would have created.

The whole system is in a controlled demolition; concentrating more and more and creating increasingly perverse incentives. Why bother creating value, when there is an easier way to get money by convincing rich people to 'select' you?


Wow, I just meant that “collapse the fed” is too big an ask for most people.

This is simply false.

Business is a social resource allocation game. If you break the rules you will be punished.


The greatest, most powerful, most successful country in the history of humanity.

There have always been poor people, but those poor people keep getting richer when compared with each other across time. Better to be working poor now than a king in the middle ages (in terms of access to information, health outcomes, food quality, healthspan, lifespan, etc., etc., etc.).

Maybe the people who serve society at the highest levels should also have the biggest stake in its successful outcomes.

"serve society"? More like help themselves to the loot, while driving society to the ground...

Yet when some claim the public sector is corrupt, filled with looters and should therefore be cut, the opposition demands that the public sector should be expanded instead.

Bloomberg was the best mayor NYC has had in a long time. The less wealthy ones have generally been far more corrupt.

That this is how you think says a lot about you and nothing about them. The very wealthy people I know are largely focused on charity work and family.

But they are already rich, so the only thing they've been concentrating on is wealth preservation of their own class. To what consequences is quite nicely laid out by the blog post by Jeff.

This perhaps says more about you than them. Most rich people I know donate money to science and build hospitals.

That would still require what GP is suggesting, no?

1%'ers don't have to worry about the price of groceries nor affordable housing; they can just brute-force whatever they desire through excessive wealth.

At least, that's the impression I get from the millionaires I know. Perhaps not all are like this (they gathered their wealth primarily via private equity) but I have no reason to think politicians would be any different.


The rich care as much as much about how the price of groceries leads to social unrest as you do, maybe more.

There are jerks everywhere. Most very wealthy people I know fund science and hospitals.


That's the third time you've posted this exact line. You're starting to sound like a shill, and an uncreative one at that.

Ad hominem attacks are the last recourse of the rhetorically defeated.

I accept your surrender. Better luck next time.


"Gotcha: Can't win, don't try." - Bart Simpson

This is nihilist cynicism, and is worth rejecting out-of-hand.


Take the same idea and apply it to gambling. Does it hold up well?

In any case it's a moot point, to an argument nobody made.

Trying or not trying, and understanding that the (documented) cases of social mobility are worsening are orthogonal.

In fact, with that understanding, a society can do something to improve that, which will also make it easier for people trying.


The point was that donating 8m to charity wouldn’t help because too many things are wrong. This is obviously incorrect, prima facie.

Why?

Charities that receive 8m can help people more than charities that receive zero.

America is the best country in the world for growing something new.

Source: I am a non-American who does business in America.


Even if I assume you’re right, upward mobility and ease of starting a business are quite different things.

My thinking has been that society only pays attention to the mechanisms that favour upward movement while completely neglecting how to push down - from the top.

Maybe because of naive concepts like "enlarging the cake for everyone" or - more likely - the top won't allow the protections they raised to be lowered.


How is “enlarging the cake” (usually the metaphor is “pie”) naïve?

If everyone’s slices get enlarged in proportion, the naive assumption, then it works as expected. If some people are clever enough to direct the enlargement towards their slices, then it doesn’t.

>naive concepts like "enlarging the cake for everyone"

Yeah, that has been working a treat (pun intended)...


Yes, they are different: the latter is a prerequisite of the former.

They're orthogonal.

You can start and business and get downwards social mobility (lose your personal investment in a bussiness which fails).

And inversely, you can get upwards mobility without starting a business (like with a promotion or getting a better job). Or rather, in the last decades, increasingly you can't. But traditionally, that was the way most people saw it. The "company man" going through the ranks, the immigrant who studies and gets a good job, etc. Building a business was always a thing for a minority.

And since most new businesses fail anyway (and in most fields require capital, not to mention connections and lack, plus a specific set of skills like salesmanship and market savvy), "start a business" as a solution to social mobility at large, is a really bad idea.

Starting a succesful business doesn't even necessarily translate to social mobility for others. In fact, it can happen even in a social mobility wise regressing economy. E.g. many people lose better paying jobs, and end up working on the cheap for some uber (pun intended) successful new business.


This is only true if you consider absolute instead of expected value and cherry pick statistical outcomes.

Successful business people start multiple businesses.

Social class and economic class are different. Few successful welders go to the opera.


????? What does any of what you wrote have to do with social mobility statistics? They don’t measure number of businesses or opera attendance when determining movement from bottom quintile of income to top quintile.

You're talking about economic mobility specifically in terms of income. I am not.

>Successful business people start multiple businesses.

Which is irrelevant to the points discussed, no?

Nobody claimed successful business people don't start multiple businesses.

>Social class and economic class are different. Few successful welders go to the opera

Social mobility in the context of this discussion is about getting better jobs and making more money. It's not about becoming an aristocrat or going to the Opera...


> Nobody claimed successful business people don't start multiple businesses.

Yes they did. Statistics were cited about business failure rates, which were one-shot rates.

> Social mobility in the context of this discussion…

Then you are talking about economic mobility, and the data cited in support of arguments about social mobility is a category error.


>America is the best country in the world for growing something new

The 27th best, if that new thing is supposed to lift your social/economic status upwards: "The US ranked 27th in the 2020 Global Social Mobility Index".

But it might well be the best for people to build new businesses of scale (especially already well off people).


That's because making it easy to start your own company will only provide upwards mobility to <1% of the population.

My grandpa worked in agriculture, my dad in a factory, and I'm a software engineer. The only reason I became the first in my family to go to university is that in my country as long as I passed all my classes I was pretty much guaranteed to not pay a euro for attending university. I even went to one of the top 5 universities for CS in Spain, which might be crap compared to US ones, but economically I'm much better off than my parents.

Affordable university education can provide upwards mobility to a lot more people.


In most of the US, as long as you are sufficiently academically qualified, you can go to a public university for free or nearly so. The exact standards vary by state, but they are not all that rigorous. The federal government on top of this provides means-tested grants to anyone regardless of academic qualifications that for poor people is likely to amount to 50-75% of public university or 100% of a two-year college.

Where the US differs from a lot of European countries is a) a lot of people chase after their "dream" university, which may be private/more selective/out of state/etc and b) almost anyone can go to A university in the US, no matter how poor their grades. It just won't be free.


As someone pointed out, education is not clearly a moral good of itself. The median Nazi was highly educated.

https://youtu.be/aazlO39MPMg?si=12GOHejB6Tjt5_BA


Going from most countries to the US lifts your economic status upwards by a lot.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Son_Also_Rises_(book) for intergenerational social mobility.


From Oz to the US knocks 5 years off life expectancy, knocks a whole 1 point (out of 10) from your democracy index, reduces your human freedom rating, increases your health care spending, increases your 10 year cost of living, etc.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/democracy-index-eiu?tab=t...

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-i...

etc.


I'm talking about economic mobility, not social mobility.

That's what social mobility means here too.

We're not talking about someone moving up the ranks in a caste system.


The report you cited was about social mobility, specifically excluding economic mobility.

Per your citation, fewer welders go to the ballet, but they are richer, across generations.


Prices increase when there's low investment in capacity and should decrease when there's more.

Gource is very useful getting up-to-speed on a new project. It gives you a quick visual history of the project and usually makes it clear where the problem spots are: the places with the most laser fire are the fire fights.

I had my password manager compromised by a business partner. I added him to my 1Password account and then, in a play for control of the company, he attempted to remove me. Lesson learned: don't try to save money on password managers.

If all of my 2FA code generators had been in 1Password I would have been truly screwed, but in a stroke of luck I had been paranoid enough to use a separate app for 2FA codes.


While it’s regrettable you had someone you trusted betrayed you, the lesson is more of never share your password manager with others.

Exactly, it’s like people complaining about locks when they hand over their keys to another person and suffer theft.

The lesson here is using granular permissions and sharing things selectively, more importantly never giving master access to anyone.


Wild! Would that actually work in the long run? It could cause you a lot of trouble, I’m sure, but it seems like if you have any legal documentation, a lawyer would easily fix it. And it seems like it’s probably illegal to try to remove someone without consent or authorization, so it could potentially backfire pretty hard for him?

I know this happens sometimes, and I’m thankful my partnerships have never gone this bad. Did you know it was headed this direction before he tried it? Was that the end of the company?


The law is amazingly difficult to actually enforce against someone who simply will not comply. If everything goes to a potential finding of contempt it takes ages to win by inches. This is what I ended up doing. Literally took 2+ years.

I “won” in the end — the board fired him and appointed me CEO - but it destroyed the company.

And yes, I saw it coming, but was hoping I could control him until we found revenue and the pressure came off. This was illogical because people like that cannot find revenue.


I'm sorry this happened to you, but it highlights another very important factor. Don't keep all keys to the kingdom on one person. Always divide and conquer. Keep power distributed between multiple people. I worked at a company of 500+ people, and I'm sure the CEO didn't have access to all the IT people's stuff. They only cared that everything works and meet their quarterly goals. Shall the IT person feel like sabotaging stuff, there are distributed backups and mainly the fine print in the work contract preventing that.

I know this doesn't necessarily apply to smaller companies and startups, but have lawyers write you strong contracts that aren't one-sided, but are full of protections for both sides, if they aren't sabotaging stuff.


This, yes, but there’s a really interesting corollary:

If you’re on a small team (~5 people) the person obsessed with access controls cannot be trusted.


That’s harrowing.

If any journalists are lurking in this discussion, this would make a decent article.


Reply here with info and I’ll reach out. Have to be careful with NDAs and such.

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