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I wish I could do that. I have to train fasted in the morning because it feels like my body is processing the food (even plain oatmeal) and taking away from performance. I'll try the coffee before sauna idea tomorrow though - never thought of that order...

Probably also depends on timing and the type of training.

I started with 1 hour of extremely intense cardio. The first 40 minutes you can go through before the sugars from the oatmeal start to hit, but starting around that 40 minute mark, the real burning of your body stored energy starts to kick in and you can realy feel those flows. The next 30-60 minutes I did high rep but relatively low intensity strenght training. This is what the oatmeal was for.

The idea of the high caffeine shots right after training just before the sauna was a hack to make you want the training more. You mentaly fuse the caffeine addiction reward into the workout routine so your brain craves the workout.


Weren’t most of the COVID handouts done under Trump? I recall people getting up in arms because Trump wanted his signature on the handouts.

Trump signed the first relief package, $2 trillion worth, at the end of March 2020. That wasn't "most", but it was a significant chunk of it.

Voting for lower interest rates to come back will certainly fix that. https://www.reuters.com/article/business/trump-heaps-pressur...

Not a lawyer, but my local university (a registered non-profit) had an AI department that took in a ton of grant money before they rolled it out into a for-profit.

The "founders" got fat salaries and bonuses after the conversion. They then started going around town hyping their success and whitewashing the history of the "startup" as if it was bootstrapped.

I have no idea how they managed to legally pull that off...


I'd love a "slimmed down" version of this since the UI looks really clean and usable. I don't need the coaches, and having an ongoing jump in/out session would be cool. Is something like that available or on the roadmap?

This is something that gets asked a lot. We're exploring what it would look like to have only body doubling and our other asynchronous features pulled out as a separate experience. Some things we're thinking through are

- What impact this will have on the current body doubling experience, where there's a certain "vibe" knowing that every other person in the room is actively engaging in coaching and you can ask them questions about their coaching etc.

- How that will change our team's focus since that product will require larger amounts of moderation, community management, and other tasks that we aren't currently focusing on. Since we're a small team (and mostly neurodivergent), we need to make sure we're super focused in our messaging and efforts

HOWEVER, it is definitely in the medium term roadmap. I think if we get enough people asking for it, it could get pulled forward.

Curious what you use now and what you like/ don't like about it — are you on other body doubling platforms?


Thanks for the reply. That all makes sense, especially around moderation and focus.

I’m not using anything now. I’ve tried out various products like Focusmate but what keeps me away is I experience ‘waiting mode’ where I’ll waste time waiting for a scheduled session to begin.

I’m looking for an open room I can hop into at any time that has a clean UI and is purpose driven for body doubling/co-working (i.e., not Discord or Slack).

I’d also love it if these rooms were organized by who is in them. It would be interesting to see what other ‘indie hackers’ are actively working on (as one example), whereas the todo list of someone not like me isn’t very compelling.


There are discord servers specifically for this not pretending to be anything accredited (like these scam 'coaches' are) that can do this. I also just phone a friend sometimes. If you need a bit more support than that, hire a disability support worker for an hour or five. Actual psychologists are great for building long term skills. Please consider not giving money to predatory scammers like ADHD 'coaches'.

A little up the thread somebody linked a discord server that seems aimed at that kind of idea.

When you click ‘Community’ it goes to X. That’s not at all what I was hoping for or expected after clicking that link. Especially since you have another link directly below that to ‘Follow on X.’

I’d strongly recommend having your own community for something like this rather than relying on another platform.

If you intend to replace PH someday that is going to be a prerequisite. It’s going to take time to build, so I’d start asap rather than sending people to X.


Hey, thank you for your feedback! Building a community is indeed very difficult and takes a long time. In the long run, what you’re suggesting makes a lot of sense, and we need to start right away. For now, we’ll have to stick with X community, but we’ll launch our own community very soon.


Same here. Expansion is great and all, but if it all goes down due to a massive CME we’re all screwed. I’ve heard estimates of $500M to improve resiliency for solar events. Why isn’t funding going toward that?


Has he shared this workflow anywhere (i.e., YouTube)? I’d be very curious to see how it works.


No; not at the moment. I've been trying to get him to create some content along the way because it's so interesting, but he's been resistant (not because he doesn't want to share; more like he's too heads down on the product).


Years ago we used to tease a guy in our incubator about using SQLite in production. Who knew he was just ahead of the curve…


I get doing it to feel less alone in the journey, but unless your target customer is other indie hackers it just invites unnecessary competition.

I get that ‘it’s not about the idea - the execution is what matters,’ but why make an already difficult journey that much harder?


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