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10 million users on a pair of gaming PCs is ridiculous. What's your product, a website that tells the current time?

How many requests do you expect users actually do? Especially if you're serving a B2B market; not everything is centered around addiction/"engagement". My 8 year old PC can do over 10k page requests/second for a reddit or myspace clone (without getting into caching). A modern high end gaming PC should be around 10x more capable (in terms of both CPU and storage IOPS). The limit in terms of needing to upgrade to "unusual" hardware for a PC would likely be the NIC. Networking is one place where typical consumer gear is stuck in 2005.

Webapps might make it hard to tell, but a modern computer (or even an old computer like mine) is mindbogglingly fast.


So we're just making stuff up now

No. Check out all the links in the comment’s in this thread.

Ignoring the issue and calling everyone nazi or fascist is precisely why the democrats lost today. Hey, at least you have 4 years to learn your lesson


Calling out people who invoke Nazi themes doesn't make them more Nazi, nor does giving them a pass make them less so.


running databases (or any stateful application, really) on k8s is a mess, especially at that scale


That's precisely what happened, knowing the public key of an address is commonplace (as long as the address has done at least one tx) and doesn't compromise the security of its private key


k3s single node + ArgoCD/Flux is what I would if I had to build infrastructure of a small startup by myself.

Unfortunately it's HN so people are more likely to do everything in bash scripts and say a big "fuck you" to all new hires that would have to learn their custom made mess


This is exactly the setup I’ve been considering. Feels like the best of both worlds: you learn the standard tooling and can easily upgrade to full blown distributed k8s, but you retain the flexibility and low cost aspects of single VM.

Also leaning towards putting it behind a Cloudflare tunnel and having managed Postgres for both k3s and application state.

Counterpoints anyone?


No counterpoints from me.

Have been running k3sup provisioned nodes on Hetzner for services and even a Stackgres managed Postgres cluster on another node (yes, it backs up to the cloud). And it's been great. Incredibly low cost and I do not have to think about running out if compute or memory for everything I need for a tiny startup.


Most companies try to operate at a profit and actually increase those profits over time. That said, reasoning that Annapurna failed only because of that requires some impressive mental gymnastics


if you don't need High Availability you can even deploy to a single node k3s cluster. It's still miles better than having to setup systemd services, an Apache/NGINX proxy, etc. etc.


Yep, and you can get far with k3s "fake" load balancer (ServiceLB). Then when you need a more "real" cluster basically all the concepts are the same you just move to a new cluster.


Could you please bless us with another way to easily orchestrate thousands of containers in a cloud vendor agnostic fashion? Thanks!

Oh, and just in case your first rebuttal is "having thousands of containers means you've already failed" - not everyone works in a mom n pop shop


> Oh, and just in case your first rebuttal is "having thousands of containers means you've already failed" - not everyone works in a mom n pop shop

The majority of folks, whether or not they admit it, probably do...


Read my post again.

Just because k8s is the only game in town doesn't mean it is technically any good.

As a technology it is a total shitshow.

Luckily, the problem it solves ("orchestrating" slow webapp containers) is not a problem most professionals care about.

Feature creep of k8s into domains it is utterly unsuitable for because devops wants a pay raise is a different issue.


> Orchestrating containers is not a problem most professionals care about

I truly wish you were right, but maybe it's good job security for us professionals!


>> As a technology it is a total shitshow.

What aspects are you referring to?

>> is not a problem most professionals care about

professional as in True Scotsman?


> professional as in True Scotsman?

No, I mean that Kubernetes solves a super narrow and specific problem that most developers do not need to solve.


I've been in your shoes for quite a long time. By now I've accepted that a lot of folks on HN and other similar forums simply don't know / care about the issue that Kubernetes resolves, or that someone else in their company takes care of those for them


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