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is anyone working on wp killer?

Open source easy to manage software that can have you blogging in minutes?


There are already dozens of blogging applications out there to have you blogging in minutes. Wordpress is so far beyond 'blogging' that there will never be a 'wp killer'.

It's used for ecommerce, employee management systems, LMS/education platforms, membership/login sites (affinity groups, etc).

Whether it should be used for those use cases - building on top of something that wasn't really designed to be explicitly supportive of any of those use cases - that's another question.

There will be - and are - dozens of 'wp killers' - ecommerce systems, blogging platforms, etc - that will cover specific use cases. But there won't likely be anything generic/flexible enough like wordpress any time soon. And that's probably an overall good thing, but that's also a different argument to make.


I am not that familiar with them, and they may not allow blogging in minutes, but I believe systems like Drupal, TYPO3, and Joomla are in the ballpark of providing platforms as flexible as Wordpress.

I'd be very happy to hear from folks more familiar with these tools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drupal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TYPO3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joomla


There was a whole rash of them a few years back. I'm not sure if any of them took off or what.

https://ghost.org/

https://strapi.io/

https://getgrav.org/

https://craftcms.com/


The WP killer is really a WP Extensions and WP Easy Setup killer. You must make something as good as those to defeat it. That makes the scale of the job more clear.

The reason WP was so successful isn't because it's the best CMS, or even the one with the easiest API to learn for non programmers.

The reason WP was so successful is that, for a significant amount of time. it had VERY BASIC php requirements to run, but first and foremost, its API was very STABLE, allowing the creation of a gigantic plugin ecosystem that were still compatible after a decade, when JOOMLA, Drupal and co kept breaking API all the time, or decided to bump their minimum requirements way too often.

so there can't really be a wordpress killer, if you have specific need, use a more specialized CMS.

API stability is one of the most under-rated feature when it comes to open source projects.


The blogging engine is easy. The collection of third party themes and plugins is the hard part; and nobody wants to do that.

The code quality for many of those themes and plugins is also what a FAANG engineer would describe as “abysmal,” an “affront to the industry,” a “I can’t believe people use this,” a “this should be illegal,” whatever epithet you want. Huge surprise, no backwards compatibility coming to anywhere else, anytime soon.

90% of computer code in this world is crap. Crap that seniors would berate or fire people for. We don’t all live in the FAANG bubble; WordPress sadly is the biggest sign of that. The world runs on crap code built on crap architectures, outside of a few niche companies in a few niche geographies who congregate on a few niche forums (like this one). If you’re in one of them, count your blessings. If you’re not, don’t despair, you’ll be a senior-equivalent on a global level in no time.


At the same time many people’s livelihood can be made with a WP instance and some plugins for subscriptions or similar. Similarly much of the world’s engineering is also done by poor farmers. Part of me relishes it.

I am curious why you think FAANG code is necessarily better than the rest of the world. There are egregious affronts everywhere.

Oh, I agree - Just ask Apple’s little known IT department - IS&T.

The Apple engineers even here on HN who work at Apple, and criticize the mistakes of junior devs or other senior devs, have no clue about the trash that exists in the less important parts of the organization. For many of them, just doing some research on how even Apple accepts atrocities would be quite humbling.


I would imagine there are many superior products but it's the inertia of Wordpress that can't be defeated. Same with Reddit, etc. When network effects reach their highest level they really work against us.

Superior products; that cost more money or require a programmer.

WordPress is $5 in a VPS, click a theme, add a few plugins, it’s an insecure mess but it was cheap. Need a designer? A few thousand bucks is cheaper than a programmer.

It’s not the network effects. It’s about doing things cheap and fast, for which WordPress has no parallel.

And no, this is not a problem with capitalism. Every social structure ever devised has done this. Even if you’re McDonalds and you want new marketing pages in 2 weeks for a 1 week campaign, WordPress is fine. What else are you going to do? Build a CI/CD pipeline for a 1 week website?


Not even a $5 VPS - my first WP site was shared hosting. Less relevant these days, but as barriers to entry go, wordpress was only one step higher than notepad.

Right, there's an ecosystem of tooling around Wordpress because of its long standing inertia, if a superior product was able to compete and grow it could produce the same or better level of tooling.

I wish, but this is an unsubstantiated claim.

WordPress is for people who don’t work at FAANG. If this is the best they can do so far, there is no reason to believe they’ll do better next time. And that’s okay - we can’t all be FAANG. FAANG standards would be considered delusional compared to most code out there.

Remember that WordPress is the way it is, and it still has a multi-billion dollar company behind it. This is the best a normal, non-FAANG, billionaire organization could do. Which shows, in my opinion, how much of a bubble the code quality purists actually live in.


I don't think the bar is as high as you're saying. It's a hacked together PHP product with 20 years of cruft after that. It was simply the first to become successful. Anything built today would evolve to meet the same demand of ease of use by non technical people, if the momentum of Wordpress wasn't there preventing competition.

don't understand the downvotes on your post. What do an average hackernews reader know about this particular news site?

I had a similar response to the linked source - how am I sure it's real news and not some fake website.


People gonna people. I don’t ever recommend taking downvotes or upvotes too seriously. Asking for verification is often seen as criticism of the original source, and in some cases it is. Personally I’m at the point where I doublecheck most things, especially those which confirm my opinions… but nobody here knows me so hey!

I heard listenship jumped 1000% (not surprising, it was rather unknown radio, but gained nationwide popularity) - I wonder if it's going to have some sticky listenship


Curiosity killed the listenship.


nVidia Killed the Radio Star


Ooooh, that’s was unexpected! :)


this book is pseudoscience though. https://mynutritionscience.com/p/exercise-weight-loss

there are more good critique online, sorry busy right now to find it.

But please don't spread this myth.


One formula for getting a publisher interested in your book is claiming new data that intuitively makes sense. Consultants will list things that many people believe that contradict established science or wisdom, and then there is a search for data that can be gathered into a counter-argument to find a book topic that a publisher will put marketing dollars into.

Pontzer contends “[exercise] just won’t do much for your weight" because "we naturally compensate for exercise by reducing non-exercise activity expenditure (NEAT) and resting metabolic rate (RMR)". That excercisers exercise less when they're not specifically exercising.

Ward says Pontzer underestimates exercise's role, misinterprets energy compensation and overemphasis anecdotal evidence, and cherry-picks data by choosing studies that primarily show minimal changes in Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) and weight loss with increased physical activity.

Ward points to a broader range of studies that demonstrate significant increases in TDEE and weight loss in individuals who engage in moderate to high levels of exercise, arguing that this evidence indicates exercise can be a substantial factor in energy expenditure and weight management.

Ward specifically points out

  Pontzer told me “the distinction between confounders and mediators is largely conceptual” and “They would be treated the same in stats analysis such as the one used”, but any statistician would argue the differences are defined and vitally important. Confounders interfere with the causal pathway we’re interested in; mediators are part of the causal pathway we’re interested in. Hence, when statistically adjusting and removing the effect of different variables, we do this for confounders, not mediators – thus removing the interference.


I enjoyed reading both books, but especially Herman Pontzer's stories in Burn about his time with the Hadza people in Africa. The study is based in part on his research (Pontzer, 2018, Pontzer et al., 2021). His hypothesis does seem to be controversial and counter-intuitive.

Thank you for the link to the nutritionist's article. I'll read it with interest.



Human brain changes after reading this comment


Total meal replacement is a diet most people are sleeping on.

One good article I found about this is

https://www.mynutritionscience.com/p/total-diet-replacement

Total diet replacement has effects on the level of new obesity drugs. Adherence is actually very good

I would love the ease of not having to cook, buy food, to eat healthily


I did meal replacements for a while. Not a weight issue, but I was having major GI issues. They were a way for me to pretty easily control exactly what I ate in basically any circumstance.

I ended up getting tired of always drinking a shake. It just doesn’t hit the same way as real food.


the original comment was about the possibility of achieving 100% uptime, not that it's an expected outcome

> A dedicated server from OVH running some processes under lxc and systemd can achieve 100% yearly uptime.


What is point exactly of saying something "might" happen 100% of the time?


The point is, that if you want it to happen, you can do it with just minor effort.


and when your single server dies, it suddenly stops happening..


If my backend home server dies. I will rebuild it from spare parts right away. If one of frontend servers dies, nothing really happened. Ill spawn new one somewhere else (VPS, cheap dedibox, whatever).


VC's might be smarter than they show -> they have great interest in creating bubbles and hyping companies they invested in. They can always hope for greater fool further down the line. Best to sell company / IPO and just hype the next bubble


all studies based on observational studies. If anyone still beliefs those kind of studies I feel sad for you. Trial sponsored by some of the opaque foundations. I don't have a time unfortunately to look deeply into it, but I believe this is sponsored by industry (coffee is one of the most traded commodity in the world, with large industry interests in studies like this)

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