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Or just use uBlacklist to block certain sites in search results: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ublacklist/pncfbmia...

A Google query returns in <<500ms (for me anyways). Try that with your shiny LLM's.

But it then takes you 10-20 min to find the information on the returned pages - unless you are looking for something very specific.

Try Claude Haiku if not already. It is very fast and good enough in most cases. Exact comparison number does not matter as it takes me longer to read anyways.

Anywhere near 500ms should be embarrassing

I know. Right. Its not like they are searching any sort of volume.

Apparently they had all kind of problems with the Windows client. DNS hijacking, route injection, etc.

IMHO understandable that they didn't want to deal with the Windows mess.


I pay for Google One and the VPN was a bad joke from day one even on Android. It was absolutely unreliable, the connection was unavailable or cut randomly. The DNS used were random choice between those of Google and the ISP. This service was unusable even on the wifi in my flat.

It was a disaster when travelling, it was very hard to get it to work with hotel wifi or if there was a captive portal. There are different country lists for "You have access to the VPN service" and "You have access to the VPN service when travelling".

The service does not work in China. The service simply does not work in the majority of cases where it might be needed.

Google has made no effort to improve this service in several years, for their paying customers, on their mobile OS.


Every other VPN on the planet seems to have no such issue. This is very odd.

I'm not convinced the other offerings are actually secure.

For example[1]:

> However, if he controls the responsible DHCP server, he can simply command end devices to send their data past the VPN. To do this, it sends the DHCP option 121 with a corresponding route –, for example, to redirect all DNS queries. The VPN's own encryption is omitted, but the VPN connection is maintained so that the user is unaware of the attack.

> Leviathan Security has reproduced the problem with Windows, Linux, iOS and MacOS – but the attack does not work with Android because Android ignores the DHCP option 121.

[1] https://www.heise.de/en/news/Tunnelvision-Attackers-can-bypa...


Cost-benefit analysis probably showed that it's not worth it for them.

Just having it as an Android feature would be pretty good. Millions of phones, all paying $5/month for these features.

Except Android users are not known for paying for things (for SW I mean).

Well, there are very few apps worth paying for. Out of these that are worth paying for, large percentage are a very niche.

I'd phrase it as the bulk of apps worth paying for are subscriptions from mega-services like Netflix. Those app payments may happen outside of mobile.

this was fixed some 8-10 years ago when most apps trying to make money shifted to subscription services. You can't pirate an APK if it's just a thin client.

There's definitely free/OS ways to run a VPN, but it definitely a clunky process with limited locations available.


Switch to subscriptions was caused by many different factors, like non-existent way to sell upgrades to new versions through app stores or forced BS activities by appstores with crazy deadlines. And yes, more regular, even though lower, cashflow too.

Yes - I didn't mean all Android users would have it. I mean making it available means they basically have an iCloud competitor they can release on all Play-enabled phones, which millions of people would likely pay for.

That already exists, it's called Google One. It's installed on a billion devices and it's pretty comparable to iCloud: more storage, email, and a bunch of other things most people don't care about, all included in one subscription. If anything, this is a story about how there's one less feature most people don't care about.

Of course, Apple only offers like a couple of subscriptions while Google has dozens of them, only some of which are united into that one subscription to rule them all.


That's an invalid argument to make against a service that's only available for people who are already paying for Google one.

Pixel VPN is available for all Pixel phones 7 and newer. I might even get a spare phone to use as a home VPN proxy.

Pity about not being allowed to use 3rd party repair parts with Pixels though. :(

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40566186


Seems like an extremely rare circumstance that a person would get a 3rd party repair and then a Google repair on the same phone.

To my mind, the rarity isn't really relevant.

Google purposely choosing to very specifically screw over its users like that should be enough for a lot of people (once they know) to avoid buying a Pixel. :)


"Google has assured us that it will not keep phones sent in for repair and that it is changing the wording of its ToS agreement to reflect this better."

https://www.androidauthority.com/google-keeps-phones-with-no...


Cool. Hopefully they do actually change things and not do that any more.

I guess time will tell. :)


> I might even get a spare phone to use as a home VPN proxy.

Most likely VPN will not applies on tethering.

And if you unlock your phone Google wont allow you to use VPN.

So it's not sounds like a good plan.


A billion-dollar company cannot solve VPN on Windows? Please... The number and diversity of VPN offerings on Windows (including OSS ones) is a clear indication that that's not the issue.

Of course they can solve it if they wanted to. But those people were probably migrated to a more profitable team or laid off. We're in "number go up" mode now, not "market capure" mode.

i believe initially the vpn had something to do with google fi either integrated or a feature or something. so the vpn could be a leftover after they decided to go a different route, just a guess

Hell, it would be great if it where a Chromebook because they can run linux apps.

I do, IMHO as MacBooks are/used to be for developers, Chromebooks are for Linux developers.

Really? You don't mind Google's extensive datamining and lockdown of the OS?

I would never ever consider using that. I'm surprised also, in our company nobody uses chromeos. But we have thousands of linux laptops and hundreds of Macs.


I've considered a Chromebook at work where the real coding and builds are being done over SSH on a headless Linux machine anyway, but the fuss involved for just a basic shell and SSH were enough to turn me away. So I can't imagine using one for local development too, data mining aside. I know some people use it and it works with the right workarounds, but why bother.

Also idk why there's nothing as good as the Mac iTerm2 for Linux.


Um, you literally go to Settings -> About ChromeOS -> Developers, enable "Linux development environment" and after 5 minutes have access to fully featured Debian Linux.

The standalone (non-linux) ssh client is indeed not the best, it's okay.


The 'Ryzen 7000 iGPU" (Why is there no official codename?!) can even run GTA 5 at low/medium settings.

I know it's hard to believe, but GTA V is now over 10 years old...

But does it run Crysis?

I don't know what your guys problem is. uBlock Origin Lite works just as well as the normal version.

Well no, the problem is precisely that it can't work as well as the normal version. There may be merit to the claim that it's good enough for your uses, but that's a different claim. (Ex. last I'd heard it can't handle CNAME cloaking.)

It could be state that uBlock Lite works fine for what it actually does, but it “only works as well as the normal version” if you ignore the features that uBlock Origin has which it simply does not.

And those features make uBlock Origin much more effective. With Lite, filter lists can only update when the extension does (delaying new filters which stalky advertisers will use to their advantage as they can update faster than the extension), some filter types not supported, no element picker and other options for crafting your own filters, no external filter list support, …


Linux swap has been fixed on Chromebooks for years thanks to MGLRU. It's upstream now and you can try it with a recent enough kernel with

  echo y >/sys/kernel/mm/lru_gen/enabled

Chrome allows at least 30000 static rules + 30000 dynamic rules[1].

[1] https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/reference/api/d...


That's not enough. Just uBlock Origin's default list "uBlock filters – Ads" already accounts for over 38,000 rules. EasyList is over 87,000!

10x more https://blog.chromium.org/2024/05/manifest-v2-phase-out-begi...

"Based on input from the extension community, we also increased the number of rulesets for declarativeNetRequest, allowing extensions to bundle up to 330,000 static rules and dynamically add a further 30,000."


Is it only me or do these constant Kagi ads on HN sound fishy?

I wouldn't necessarily call them fishy, but I am very tired of them. They have a very evangelizing tone. But I think they're ultimately just people excited about the tool they're using and wanting to share it with others.

Maybe they're not ads but people who genuinely like the service?

I took a screenshot years ago where 10/14 of the viewable top headlines on my screen where positive Google discussion. From an advertising perspective it was all earned marketing (satisfied customers speaking highly).

While these situations could be a pg-style astroturf submarine, or they could be satisfied customers (the best kind of advertising), I wouldn't necessarily say fishy (you can look at the satisfied users' previous contributions to make that judgment yourself! :)).

Personally, I've not used Kagi, but I hear positive things from people I trust that use it. So I'll likely try it in the future.


Did we not all evangelize Google in it's early days?

Also, none of these accounts saying nice things appear to be bots or kagi-focused in any way, so I think it's safe to assume they do actually just like it.


I don't know...my spidey sense has been going off a bit.

Kagi has a free trial, but you have to pay, which is the difference between it and early Google.

Of course, now we have Google ads instead, so who knows, maybe not bots.


Go check my history. Send me a mail and I'll send a photo of the fields and the wind breaks here that you can geolocate.

I am definitely not a bot.

I am however extremely fed up with Google. And equally thankful that I have found something that works as well as old Google (or better).


I never say it but here it is: for the price of 2 packs of cookies, I went from being a 1x programmer to a 1.5x programmer without doing anything. If the results are good, it’s good for me and my job which brings me way more money and satisfaction than $10.

The alternative is Searx and I may try it sometimes, but so far Kagi is cheap and very efficient for me (C++ coding and other languages).


It’s not surprising that folks who pay for a service when there’s a free alternative are pretty serious fans.

Google Search being a bit rubbish has been in the zeitgeist for a while, it's not surprising that people then talk about an alternative they've found that is much better in their experience

kagi is the new crossfit

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