With what exactly? They are desperately trying to create a "marketplace" and become gatekeepers on the backs of developers and businesses alike. There's no innovation here.
Knowing OAI's history, only big whales could survive being copied by the platform's owner—case in point: Amazon Basics. They're so big that most of the time, SMBs can't escape them and don't have a choice but to cave to Amazon's demands. Is your product successful? Great, I'll copy you, add the "Amazon basics" label, and start bombarding users with my "product".
Amazon basics is a private label just like Costco and the Kirkland Brand. Same thing with Walmart, Target, Trader Joes, etc. And if these SMBs don't have to deal with Amazon, they will have to deal with a dozen copycats from China for anything that becomes a hit.
For me the most annoying thing is APIs arbitrarily changing all the time. Completely change the entire Tailwind, ESLint, AWS SDK, etc APIs every 6 months? Why not! Heaven forbid you don't touch a project for a few months, blink and all your code is outdated.
It's hard to imagine that abundant housing led to the truly adverse economic conditions in the USSR. Rather than offering a cheeky strawman perhaps you could give some real thought to alternative solutions you'd like to see?
More broadly, can a comment on a forum thread that isn't directed at anyone in particular really be considered "mansplaining"? I consider that term to mean something like "a man explaining something to a woman because he assumes she doesn't know".
Just because the topic is about women doesn't mean a man can't post a thought that is relevant and (mildly) thought provoking.
>So my advice wouldn't be for women to ask for lower salaries
It's right there in the comment. There's other "supporting" statements/phrases but that's really all you need to read.
>consider that term to mean something like "a man explaining something to a woman because he assumes she doesn't know".
What do you think that comment is doing? The comment is acting from a perspective of wisdom/knowledge as a male and addressing the entire female populace lol. It's textbook.
Honestly it was hilarious, I had quite a chuckle after reading that.
On a thread about how AI is surfacing implicit biases mind you. Crazy world right now.
Hey, my advice wasn't for women at all. It was just advice for myself and for people in general. I don't care at all about the headline or AI - if something goes wrong with AI, it's karma for your using it in the first place.
I said my original comment kind of as a joke (even if it was applicable), I don't think you meant anything nefarious by it.
But of course it elicited a pretty bland response on HN and immediately devolved into a meta discussion; which in and of itself is ironically, recursively topical.
Yeah, I took your comment as a joke, and I didn't mean anything by it. But I do think it's understandable that there's a very strong reaction against it. It's only natural for some men to denounce any hint of "mainsplaining" or other phenomena because if they don't, they are likely to be painted as collaborators in the oppressive hierarchy by overzealous leftists that pervade modern high-tech corporations.
Of course, there interesting thing is that pretty much nothing took place here except some casual discussion, which is turned into a farce in which no one really knows what anyone is talking about, and instead we have resorted to becoming heads of headless ideologies.
I'm not sure if "mansplaining" is the correct word, but the comment is a poster child of looking at an example of reported bias and saying "it's actually not that bad because ...".
If the model statistically significantly returns a different number for men and for women when controlling for all other factors, then it's a bias. I don't understand how this is even contentious.
What do you do if you're out of town for a vacation, work trip, family event, etc? I could see making a daily habit work for running since your feet work anywhere but if you physically don't have access to a rowing machine do you find some alternative?
I haven't encountered this scenario yet, but I would just substitute with running, stationary bike, etc. The whole point of rowing is to minimize impact and encourage consistency day-to-day. If we need to deviate on rare occasions to stay on track, it's not a big deal.
Not overthinking the exercise is a big part of not falling off the wagon. If you wrap yourself around that post it can really discourage you. Perfect is the enemy of really, really good things.
If you have the time I recommend working on distance first. Running farther is great for fat loss & cardio training and speed only really matters if you're trying to be competitive in races or have to squeeze your run into a confined time slot.
I also find that adding distance makes it easier to improve time. If I can only run 1 mile, it's pretty hard to run that same mile but faster. BUT if I can run 3 miles, it's a bit easier to run 1/3 of my normal distance but focusing on pushing the pace.
No, have you? They always seem to be missing from these types of posts. Personally I am skeptical, as AI has been abysmal at 1 shot provisioning actual quality cloud infrastructure. I wish it could, because it would make my life a lot less annoying. Unfortunately I have yet to really see it.
No, they're not. People talk about LLM-generated code the same way they talk about any code they're responsible for producing; it's not in fact the norm for any discussion about code here to include links to the code.
But if you're looking for success stories with code, they're easy to find.
> it's not in fact the norm for any discussion about code here to include links to the code.
I certainly didn't interpret "these types of posts" to mean "any discussion about code", and I highly doubt anyone else did.
The top-level comment is making a significant claim, not a casual remark about code they produced. We should expect it to be presented with substantiating artifacts.
I guess. I kind of side-eyed the original one-shotting claim, not because I don't believe it, but because I don't believe it matters. Serious LLM-driven code generation runs in an iterative process. I'm not sure why first-output quality matters that much; I care about the outcome, not the intermediate steps.
So if we're looking for stories about LLMs one-shotting high-quality code, accompanied by the generated code, I'm less sure of where those examples would be!
I could write a blog post exactly like this with my chatGPT history handy. That wasn't the point I was making. I am extremely skeptical of any claims that say someone can 1 shot quality cloud infrastructure without seeing what they produced. I'd even take away the 1-shot requirement - unless the person behind the prompt knows what they're doing, pretty much every example I've seen has been terrible.
I mean, I agree with you that the person behind the prompt needs to know what they're doing! And I don't care about 1-shotting, as I said in a sibling comment, so if that's all this is about, I yield my time. :)
There are just other comments on this thread that take as axiomatic that LLM-generated code is bad. That's obviously not true as a rule.
If your software business relies on people coming to your site to read docs then you were cooked from the start. It's about enabling your users whether they're on your site, ChatGPT, or anywhere else.
Even in their animations on this page there are things where the user scrolls the interface and the part under one of these glass buttons looks more exaggerated and draws the eye in an unpleasant way, and depending on where they land with it, the text on the button isn't particularly readable.
In the keynote, they showed an app, I think it was Messages, where the UI at the bottom was illegible because it was translucent and the background image and text were showing through too much. There are other examples that I was able to find were legibility was negatively impacted.
Their example of the music app. You have a translucent bar showing the currently playing music app.
It gets harder to read when it overlaps with the background music album covers. I can very easily see a situation where you need to scroll to an empty bit, just to be able to read what it is actually playing.
Now, imagine you have a visual impairment. It's already hard to read with mostly normal eyes.
This will be impossible for anyone with bad vision, probably even worse if colorblind.
> What makes you think that? Do you have a specific example from the keynote in mind?
Almost every button and menu they showed was harder for me to read than the ones on my current generation Apple gear. The icons on buttons are indistinct, the text is hard to read. The buttons themselves seem to sink into the content "below" making both the buttons and the content hard to see.
Some examples:
- the tabs at the bottom left of the photos app
- the address bar in Safari (what a complete mess... you can't see the content beneath because the address bar blurs it, but you also can't read the address bar because the glass effect destroys contrast
- in the colourless "translucent" colour way, all the icons look the same
- the (admittedly cute) "squish" effect when tapping menus and some of the buttons looked like it would slow down all interactions
- the highlights and light/colour bending effects are utterly distracting, catching your eye when you really want to be skimming the content or overview to orient yourself in the UI
True, I've not used it... but I was watching along with the launch video with rapt Apple fan-boi attention and I was surprised by how uncomfortable the new UI seemed to be. I've never felt that before.
This new design style is certainly "fun", but it looks like it'll get in the way of fast use of the tools.
I want my OS to promote clarity of affordances, and then to recede away from my attention so I can get on with doing what I was trying to do. This new design style looks like it's trying to hold on to my attention all the time I'm using the devices. (Admittedly today's keynote was an ad for the new design, so that sense of attention grabbing was hopefully accentuated over day to day use... but I'm skeptical.)
Every single example of the five are hard to read, especially the second.
At least half of the example screenshots and videos I've seen in the keynote and on various Apple website pages are hard to read. The lense effects, only visible in the animations/videos, are technically impressive, visually stimulating, but terrible from a utilitarian perspective (unless you consider convincing people to buy iPhones using attractive visuals in a cinematic sort of way but not actually trying to use the devices as some sort of utility to Apple).
Look at the notifications in the middle of the landing page for iOS 17. https://www.apple.com/os/ios/ It is immediately awful. I hadn't even seen the keynote yet when I went to apple.com to see what had been announced and my very first thought was "Oh no"
I gotta be honest, I don’t find it particularly hard to read. I like how it makes it feel like there is “depth” to the screen, and when I focus on the top layer (eg Notification Center) the background falls away.
I can personally see how others would find it hard to read, just really doesn’t bother me. I can imagine being unconvinced that anyone really finds it to be that bad, and thinking it’s just HN contrarians being annoying, as usual.
Do you really think that Apple, of all companies, did a cross-platform UI refresh based entirely on vibes without considering user taste, usability, accessibility, etc?
You've already judged the system as only good for "looking good on screenshots and marketing materials" when you haven't even seen anything other than the announcement.
> Do you really think that Apple, of all companies, did a cross-platform UI refresh based entirely on vibes without considering user taste, usability, accessibility, etc?
Yes, I think they would do that.
Lots of historical examples of Apple making weird design choices for decades now. I'm old enough to remember the hockey-puck mouse on the original iMac.
3.3 trillion dollar market cap, and the *clipboard* is no longer reliable. The mail badge is an unreliable count. The wallpaper sometimes disappears. The alarms don't play out of whatever speaker or headphones you're using for all your other audio.
> Do you really think that Apple, of all companies, did a cross-platform UI refresh based entirely on vibes without considering user taste, usability, accessibility, etc?
Yes, and where have you been for the last two decades? :) The last time Apple did actual UX research must have been in the late 1990s.
Of course they would. Have you used Sequoia? It's a hot dumpster fire that's caused me unending frustration with how they've broken the bluetooth and networking stack, introduced unprecedented instability (anyone else's macbooks suddenly crashing and restarting while the lid is closed and it's in sleep mode?) and a host of other issues. Apples has been taking one step forward and two steps back with their software and design for a long time, and they have increasingly preferred form over function, and hidden, obtuse UX.
If their hardware wasn't so damn good for my professional work, I wouldn't go near this child slavery enabling shitshow of a corporation. I don't know if I've ever felt as trivialized or patronized as watching someone in formal dress talk to me about how many new ways I can express myself to my friends via emoji or whatever else as I have when watching Apple keynotes. It feels like they've tried to commoditize interaction even more than Meta. It all feels so hollow. You can tell Steve is gone.
> Do you really think that Apple, of all companies, did a cross-platform UI refresh based entirely on vibes without considering user taste, usability, accessibility, etc?
We are talking about the same company that to make a the MCP a little bit thinner released that crap with only two USBC ports, forcing everyone to carry fucking dongles everywhere.
And let's not forget that awful butterfly keyboard.
So much usability, so much accessibility. No vibes, no sir.
Mr. Vibe wasn't the issue. Tim Apple was the one who gave his leash infinite slack, and he's still there calling the shots. Probably conferring equally stupid protections onto whoever replaced Ive internally.
Lord only knows Altman is probably doting on him in the same way. This industry just never learns.
Are you telling me that the trillion dollar company had to actually release a laptop with only two USBC ports to "learn" that people need more ports on a laptop? And you do that on a straight face on a sequence where it was claimed that they carefully consider usability and accessibility?
And yes, I am aware those silly toy computers have a couple more ports nowadays, I have to use that on a daily basis for work.
A major distinction here is that it is very cheap to host content on the internet and VERY EXPENSIVE to build things like a separate road network in the real world.
Who is actually hurt if I publish an llms.txt or MCP in addition to my existing content?
I'd much rather see a thriving ecosystem full of competition and innovation than a more stagnant alternative.