Seeing how we are responding to AI or the copilot button on pc's... I _dare_ to suggest this "Agentic era" is nothing more then wishful thinking. Not supported by any real wish or need on the consumer side.
As much as I hate it, you and your opinion is exactly what Jobs always talked about: people don't need things until they realize they need them.
You not envisioning use for it is just a past bias. You can't know that. You can't because we haven't yet reached the point where the OS is fully useful when controlled with AI.
But the industry types have been talking about "agents" for 30 years... This used to be a thing that "intelligent agents will go on the internet and gather information for you" then search engines came out and people were happy with that instead.
Yeah, just a week ago I read an interview with Alan Kay from 1990, where he shared his thoughts about the third revolution in computing: the "intimate computer" (the agentic platform that follows the "institutional computer" and the "personal computer").
Funnily enough, he spoke about one of his first "agentic computing" implementations: a computer agent of his he tasked with compiling a sort of newspaper for breakfast reading. It ran overnight for 12 to 15 hrs., and collated textual as well as graphical information from specified news resources and databases. That was ten years before the interview, in 1980. Sadly, the piece doesn't go into more detail on the setup or its performance metrics.
He also mentioned that the idea of agentic computing was already 30 years old, and that he was busying himself with the topic for 15 years by then (1990). So... five years from taking interest (mid-70s) to his first practical implementations (1980).
Take that "sort of newspaper for breakfast reading" description and multiply that by 20 million MAU and you have the yahoo.com front page circa 1999, or the opening screen of the Reddit app circa 2020.
There are going to be a lot of tasks where if someone wired up some tools to do it for personal consumption, you'd call it agentic. Since there are a lot of overlapping interests, the obvious route is to have a handful of specialists building the tools and selling them as a packaged service to a broader consumer-type audience. While this will move away from the "a agent following your specific directives" narrative, since all you'll get is a few tunable knobs, it will also offer instant gratification and probably fewer footguns than trying to build your own.
This bodes poorly for a certain type of dev though. I suspect every shop of a certain size or larger now has at least one AI evnagelist building a bespoke "agentic" workflow that converts inbound support tickets to outbound CVEs. When you've got a brace of vendors all offering that as a COTS product, do you still want him? Firms like Atlassian and Github/lab might be in privileged positions for that storyline, because they already know all the secrets of the systems they're trying to instrument, and could potentially build API extensions to suit their needs.
The idea about various fads that "not envisioning use for it is just a past bias", is seldom true.
What people want has not changed for millennia and it is unlikely to change soon.
Most of the things that are useful have already been imagined millennia ago, even if at that time nobody had any idea about how one could develop any technology for building such things in reality. For instance in the Ancient Greek literature there are descriptions of artificial robots for doing the hard work, means for flying etc.
The past bias can block indeed one to envision the usefulness of some things, but only when those things are not a goal in themselves, but they are only intermediates for achieving things that are already known to be useful and the past bias prevents the user to realize that there exists an alternate path to the useful goals, instead of the known traditional path.
LLMs are indeed tools that can be used to achieved some useful goals, so in some cases a user may not realize how they can be used, due to past bias.
There is no doubt that there are a few applications for which LLMs are very useful, but for experienced people, even if they have never used LLMs yet, it is easy to recognize with certainty that some of the proposed applications for LLMs will never be useful for them.
For example, I would never use an LLM for searching the Web or for summarizing documents. What I recognize as important in a Web search or in a document differs too much from what typical humans would recognize, for an LLM to have any chance to generate equivalent results.
The only reason why I may find useful to put some questions to a big LLM is because it is likely that it may have had access during training to documents to which I do not have access. Thus the answer might provide some clues about other sources than those known to me. Instead of this, I would very much prefer to use a traditional search tool on the training set, but the LLM may be a poor substitute for its training set, which is better than nothing.
For now, the most lucrative application for LLMs is as coding assistants. Here there is no past bias, because since the earliest times of automatic computers, people have hoped for methods that would allow the generation of computer programs with minimum input from a human.
I do not think that there is anyone who would dispute that LLMs have allowed a much greater progress than before in this direction. Here what are frequently disputed are only the correct strategies of using LLMs for this purpose, because it is obvious that they are frequently misused and those who do not understand programming, like most managers, have completely unrealistic ideas about what can be done and what should be done with LLMs.
I'm sorry, but what was Steve Jobs ever uniquely right about except that we needed better touch screens on smartphones?
We don't see the same obvious applications of AI because nobody has developed a proper user interface for it. We're stuck with voice, chat, and dumping documents onto it. The current pro-AI stance is basically "fuck the user and fuck interfaces".
> Seeing how we are responding to AI or the copilot button on pc's... I _dare_ to suggest this "Agentic era" is nothing more then wishful thinking
Depends who 'we' is - I've seen plenty of non-tech people in the real world begin to use ChatGPT as a primary information source rather than the web (rightfully or not!)
I suspect that 'we' might not be the true early adopters here, similar to how quite a lot of the most technical users in the 80's thought GUI's were a waste of time.
> Depends who 'we' is - I've seen plenty of non-tech people in the real world begin to use ChatGPT as a primary information source rather than the web (rightfully or not!)
I don't think that's really what people are talking about when they talk about 'agentic' PCs.
I think we are more broadly talking about what the user interface is going to be in the future and how people will interact with a computer - many people already want to interact with ChatGPT to get answers rather than navigate to a website, or want to prompt ChatGPT to generate a leaflet rather than design one in Microsoft Word, so 'Agentic PCs' is just an extension to that.
as far as I've understood the AI mode on my new-ish washing machine: it's just a renamed "automatic" mode that uses a sensor to measure how heavy the load is and adjusts the cycle length. there is absolutely no AI involved, just an if-statement or equivalent logic gates. I'd guess yours does something similar
Washers now do have useful control systems. Mine starts out by spinning the tub a little, before adding water, to measure the load. Out of balance problems are a thing of the past - that's sensed and dealt with automatically. It's able to handle bed comforters or sneakers without problems. But it's not "AI", and it doesn't have a network connection.
I think in some people's minds, the concept of sentience and intelligence are intertwined, and there are at least some people (myself included) who do not think they're the same. There is a strong (but surprisingly not universal) consensus that LLMs are not sentient, so if you insist that sentience/intelligence are the same thing, then LLMs don't qualify as AI either. If you think the two concepts are separable, then they're intelligent but not sentient. The devil is of course in the definitions.
Agentic for most people should mean an easy way to fix what were previously missing UI features. Hopefully companies are (with permission) paying attention to user prompts in aggregate to guide UX work
Teens will find a way. So yeah, it doesn't work. But... Blanket banning and outlawing the likes of Meta, Google, , TikTok, etc. Well, now where talking!
You probably do agree that this should not be normal. And not the expected way to get your money back? There is no blocklist option at my bank, so I'd have to do that every month in perpetuity?
Simply because I cannot login and cancel my account?
side note, these are things I feel should be:
1. Illegal: "noreply@" addresses. My inbox is not a dumping ground and email is two way, not one way.
2. Required: phone numbers on you website, easily found, that are picked up by humans.
What do you mean there is no blocklist? Your bank has no way to stop someone from taking your money, no matter what, if it’s ever authorized even one time? That makes no sense. Your country desperately needs some way to fix your system.
In America, the authorization to charge a card lies with the card itself. You call the bank and revoke the authorization. Done. This solves the problem of requiring every single company needing to hire some untold number of people to sit around at phones and hopefully agree to stop taking your money?? Or whatever weird setup your country has.
It also doesn’t matter if it’s normal or okay or whatever. You’re dealing with a business - it’s effectively an inanimate object. You don’t live in a vacuum, so you can complain that it isn’t a friendlier company, or you can find a solution. I’ve found one for you, at least that works in the US.
Remarkable means subscription. And I *DO NOT* want that. If this could support self hosted stuff like Nextcloud or something? Or a simple shared folder?
RSS or Pocket client?
But no, nothing, just the subscription stuff. So it's a no from me.
Account and subscription are not strictly necessary for local usage.
And there is https://github.com/ddvk/rmfakecloud that allows to sync files without account.
reMarkable still work really hard to force you into a subscription - or at least into using their very bad, non-zero knowledge cloud service. ... I don't know why but it is not obvious why this would be for the benefit of the user.
I own a reMarkable 2, but I fill it via RCU [1]. I will absolutely not buy into yet another opaque cloud offering in 2025.
edit: The project you linked looks interesting, though!
I do not think the value difference is $100 ;-) In fact, the longer you use it, the more money they can make off of you. (In that sense, that $200 is already WAY too expensive to start ;-) )
So yeah, reversing this would make the most sense. The default is: local data only and not connected. They need to pay me to get data.
Just like car companies, phones, etc, should be forced to do that as well.
And no, they shouldn't be allowed to set the price. If I buy a license from Steam, I can't name my price, so I don't see why these companies should either. If they want my data, then they'll either pay the money I demand or they won't get the data at all. Cutthroat, perhaps, but necessary.
I ask the person behind me if they would mind me reclining. They've never said no, and both parties now feel better. I'm not "intruding" in their personal space as much, since I asked.
Well, at least for me: no thanks.
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