Now, please be precise with wording. 2019 hasn't ended, and the 10000 figure was given with the second gigafactory in mind.(which will start production in this year, actually)
The reason why I don't believe they need a 70 billion dollar deal, is that Elon doesn't plan on buying himself out! And if they take the same structure as SpaceX, I would expect at least half of current shareholders to stay in the company, as well as most employees. That would then require 20-30 billion, on the high end. Far more feasible and a great strategy, really. Everyone's that's long stays, everyone that's medium to short term gets a nice bonus with the 420 payday, Every short dies, if everything goes as planned.
One thing I don't see people mentioning too much, but tesla numbers are great for electric cars, but they're tiny, tiny compared to something like ford. I don't get why people assume tesla can negotiate similar prices for these things as other manufacturers can. I don't think they can. Who says it's cheaper for tesla to order like the big manufacturers do?
I would like to point out that you go to any article written about tesla from "the industry" viewpoint from at least 2008 to 2010. It's actually quite vitriolitic, actually.
I would much rather drop something i had no interest in and pick up other interests and maybe later pick it up when interest flows there again, than be forced to wade trhough the hopelessness that is to sit a good portion of your day, learning something you hate. Schooling HAS wasted a lot of my lifetime, on things I HATED. Years on, I still resent this. I also dropped out of guitar after 1 week when I was young, but now, having rediscovered it in university, I do it with a renewed appreciation and vigour.I want it now. Now, not then. And that's just fine.
In April 2017 elon was planning to have 20 or 10k of model 3's per week by now. That was not the case as we all know. Maybe we should be receptive to the change of priorities that occur when a massive problem such as that one happen. The fate of Tesla as a company is very much ingrained on model 3 production, and just saying that this demonstration has had a massive delay in a vacuum, without the context of the situation is disingenuous. Also I would like to just put forth the question of who here drives everyday. The human body does not, as far as i'm aware, have a volumetric sensor such as lidar. I'm not saying that the use or not of the information isn't important, but we certainly can do it just fine. It's shortsighted that we're dictating the tools we should use to solve a problem before the fact. I shudder to think of the day where I reject an implementation of a system based on the tools used, and not actual performance. To say an approach is wrong because it doesn't use geometric analysis is short sighted, that Classifiers aren't that good is shortsighted.
I must say the bloomberg tracker can be highly inaccurate and vary its values depending on your location. Likely not the best place to judge current tesla production capabilities.
Consider the quality of life that would be gained by having the same energy all these "gamer" nerds use, with their consoles and graphics power on these useless. silly games. Or consuming netflix. Or watching movies. Or doing anything that is not directly used on the survival of the human race. This is a pedantic argument.
I find this argument so often. Autopilot has never been a term for autonomous, just as its used in aviation. Just because people don't know the proper term or have an erroneous idea of the term, doesn't mean tesla has to have the burden of people misinterpreting what it says.
See, I'm not sure if you know this... but most people are not Pilots.. ( disclaimer, I'm not only a programmer, but also hold an A&P and avionics license, as well as a few engine ratings ).
It is ABSOLUTELY on a manufacturer to make sure their potentially life ending feature, is not named in a way that can confuse the target audience. You know. NON PILOT car drivers.
Arguing with Tesla/Musk fanatics now is like arguing with Facebook/Zuck fanatics was ten years ago, or saying that a Google was bad news in their “don’t be evil” days. You’re right, but only time and loads of evidence will convince some people that what they desperately want to believe isn’t true.
Of course “Autopilot” is intended to evoke the common meaning as a marketing tool, and not the nuanced, highly technical meaning understood by pilots. Understand though, that when someone argues against that point the pedantry is just a proxy for their fanaticism, and until the fanaticism dies, the excuses will be generated de novo. You’re bringing reason and logic to an emotional fight.
I would really prefer not being called a fanatic just because i believe that the term "autopilot" isn't a proxy for "autonomous". I've always seen that autonomous is a goal of tesla but they have always said their system is limited, and that it requires vigilance.
Forgive me but I've never seen any plane where, once in autopilot, the pilot/s are not checking and observing the conditions of the plane and making sure everything is alright.
And yet, I don't recall ever in any documentary or so, having seen the pilots get up and leave once the autopilot is on? They have humongous checklists to parse, do they not?
I want you to go on wikipedia(is that not mainstream enough) and search for the term Autopilot. Reads its ACTUAL definition and come back.please.
> Autopilot has never been a term for autonomous, just as its used in aviation.
Autopilots used in modern commercial airplanes are autonomous. You don't have to watch them, they will do their job. The airplane is either controlled by the pilots or the autopilot. There is a protocol to transfer the control between pilots and the autopilot, such that it is clear who is in charge of controlling the plane (there's even a protocol to transfer this between pilots).
The autopilot will signal when it is no longer able to control the plane (because of, e.g., technical faults in the sensors).
Yes, there are also autopilots in smaller airplanes which are more or less just a cruise control. But everything in between, where is it unclear who is doing what are where the limits of the capabilities are, have been scrapped because people died.
> doesn't mean tesla has to have the burden of people misinterpreting what it says.
Because Tesla is so pretty clear in stating what their autopilot is able to do and what not.
Do you believe Tesla bears the burden of maintaining its own homepage? tesla.com/autopilot currently has "Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars" as its top headline and has had that for awhile now.
Well, they do have the hardware, that isn't the issue.
The cars simply lack the software to enable a fully autonomous vehicle. The phrasing indicates that if/when the software becomes available, the car would be theoretically capable of driving itself.
It's just a typical misleading marketing blurb; nothing more.
They don't actually know that they have hardware for full autonomy till they have a fully working hardware/software autonomy system; what they have is hardware that they hope will support full autonomy, and a willingness to present hopes as facts for marketing purposes.
Yes, it is the issue because no one has achieved full self-driving yet so Tesla simply has no idea what hardware may be required to achieve that level of functionality in real-world situations.
But that wasn't the line of argument I was making. The parent commenter said this about people misunderstanding the term "autopilot"
> Just because people don't know the proper term or have an erroneous idea of the term, doesn't mean tesla has to have the burden of people misinterpreting what it says.
Seems like people might be mistaken because the phrase "Full Self-Driving" is literally the first thing on the official Tesla Autopilot page.
In a sense though, without the software the hardware isn't self-driving, at least enough to be misleading. If you saw "Full Voice-Recognition Hardware on All Computers", you would expect it to actually recognise voices, not just come with a microphone.
The problem is that Tesla creates the misinterpretation by explicitly stating that Autopilot is a self-driving system rather than a driver-assist system.
But check out my Full Self Driving AP2 hardware, driving coast to coast! You can even ask your car to earn you money on Tesla Network! Tesla Autopilot twice as safe as humans in 2016! Sentient AI will kill humans!
You seem to understand the difference. Everyone in this thread seems to understand the difference. So why should anybody believe a failure to understand the term is a problem?
