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I think it's just most people don't really understand physics. If they get the concept of emergent effects, complexity and how free will vs no free will are basically indistinguishable to the humans, I doubt they would still agree with the same conclusion.

> The collective/societal solution is that we need to massively increase the density of these cities and improve their infrastructure, but that will in many places require going to war against the NIMBY obstructionists.

The Tokyo solution which we should all follow. It's the only way out of this mess


I am a steadfast exurban/ruralist at heart, but I agree that we need to increase city density and not expand the land footprint with urban sprawl. I prefer the Helsinki social housing solution. I think it is more intellectually honest to make it clear that the state takes the financial loss to bring housing costs down instead of completely forcing it onto the builder or the property owner.

I know this is an unpopular opinion, but cities don't change because it is too costly to rip and replace in terms of dollars, disruption to parts of the city, transportation, etc. However, I do think that rip-and-replace is an important strategy for improving housing density in the city and correcting past mistakes.

I do worry about the impact of higher-density living. I think people will lose touch with the natural world. Being outdoors in wilder spaces will become a tourist experience rather than an appreciation and understanding of the wilder parts of the world.


I am amazed that they even have the expectations in the first place


If you read the HackerNews thread then it was announced, it was widely claimed this was the next big thing. Very curious how so many got it wrong.


They didn't. Following launch week, the number was revised upward from below this new number based on the pace of sales in launch week.

They seem to have misestimated the number of folks deliberately purchasing to blog or YouTube about it then return it.


It's me, aws Mechanical Turk again!


It's just a matter of time. China is making ev like android phones. Other countries are also catching up. The high profit margin of Tesla cannot last forever


I'm just concerned about battery safety with Chinese EVs. I've seen more than a few video clips of Chinese EVs just spontaneously catching fire (not from an accident).

I would be more confident in owning a Chinese-made EV if it conforms to appropriate battery safety standards, and that those standards are enforced by USA regulations.

I'm sure at least half the problems with the Chinese EVs are the inadequate regulatory environment created by the PRC.


BYD appears to be the leader re battery safety.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CSGESKhtZD0


It's not a matter of time, cars and the car industry are treated as national security. Chinese EV cars will be even more tariffed in US and Europe in 2024/2025


We were talking about Tesla's profit margin and evaluation in the thread. Not sure if you replied to the wrong post


Ah, your statement sounds like Chinese EVs were inevitable


The competition is inevitable. It comes from everywhere


Will tariffs work if BYD does final assembly of vehicles in Mexico?


Heard the same from the friends working there, that seems to be the case. Apple is much more product and design focused on the other hand


Best shot yourself in the foot argument so far. Sony Entertainment is actually bringing the controller and the games to pc. The controller's unique features are also actually usable


Yep. Tesla is actually the outlier here where China gave them the special treatment.

Now China has their own formidable EVs now. Would China say gave us shares or f** off to Tesla?


Reading the Musk biography, it seems like they just had the right people who really knew the Chinese government try extra hard to convince them to grant the exception to Tesla.

I personally think its more than that. We have firms here in the US that tear down the Teslas, deeply analyze the cars and sell the reports to whoever will buy (essentially other car companies). The Chinese are snapping up all the Tesla reports and multiple firms that do this work are reporting that the Chinese only want Tesla, they are offered info on the other OEMs and they don't care at all.

It seems like the Chinese know that Tesla is their primary competition. We see it in their actions as well. When Tesla announced "giga castings" for their cars, the Chinese companies were the first to jump on that train as fast as possible. Everyone else was still debating wether or not if it was worth the cost.

[1]:https://youtu.be/L8LN6Vnnyfo?t=1532


> If you want to see the opposite approach, look at China and Pinyin. It’s made pronunciation of Chinese in English and elsewhere less intuitive. In order to pronounce Chinese words properly you need to learn Pinyin and its phonetic rules. As a result, many Chinese people take on Westernized names to avoid the inevitable butchering, which is a bit of a shame.

Taiwanese romanization is way better. It's much closer to English and more readable


But the point is always about the capability. I am using Android because ios is lacking the things I want. For example, granular volume control ( even the lowest volume on iphone is still too high for me sometimes), firefox


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