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> The user should never be given control.

> the designer should have control over every pixel on his product.

That's why I can't increase the font sizes or zoom in on mobile browsing, to aid my poor eyesight. Sigh. Why should USERS never have control, but you give bad designers a free pass? That's an awfully totalitarian view of computing, and leads to many unbearable situations.

> Of course, there are bad designers, but they get filtered out by users not going back to their site.

No. As I mentioned in another comment, you can't just pick-and-choose websites like equivalent oranges. Each website is different, and while occasionally you can choose which blog you read, you can't so easily select which government agency you need to engage with. We all have to deal with the designer's choices, good or bad.

A tangent, but back to this:

> the designer should have control over every pixel on his product.

How is it appropriate to discuss the web in this manner? The web is a communication mechanism, and it was intended to be easy for people -- end users, real people -- to make their own webpages. Now it's just for "products" created by professional designers? We have given up so much.



> We all have to deal with the designer's choices, good or bad.

You'll have to deal with them anyways. Every government site is pretty much horrible - they don't even need any advanced UI capabilities to make them unusable.

This discussion is about enabling advanced UI capabilities for top designers.

> How is it appropriate to discuss the web in this manner? The web is a communication mechanism, and it was intended to be easy for people -- end users, real people -- to make their own webpages.

The web is a one-way communications medium. It's not a two-way medium. You'll need to go to phone/chat/email for that.

And, with a one-way medium, the message should be decided by the sender, not the receiver.




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