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Org-trello: Trello for org-mode (org-trello.github.io)
157 points by brudgers on May 5, 2015 | hide | past | web | favorite | 36 comments



The last few days I have been getting my teeth back into org-mode. It was originally one of the best parts about using Emacs over vim. Since I have to carry around a mobile device (or tablet) it's become much less useful to me. In fact to get the same experience I have been using a bullet journal[1] for a year or two now.

I want to love org-mode, but I spent the better part of a week using it to write a deck only to find out it's a huge pain to export to PPT. I know this is off topic as the post is about org-trello, but org-mode as a whole needs to take what org-trello does awesome and integrate with mobile/cloud services more!

I would love to hear from a hardcore org-mode user. I haven't found someone I could talk to and pick their brain.

[1]: http://www.bulletjournal.com


Have you come across Orgzly?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.orgzly

I found it last week while trying to get started on Org Mode and being frustrated by the poor mobile apps. So far Orgzly has been pretty good.

(No link whatsoever to the developers BTW, just a user)


Did someone finally made an usable app for org-mode? Thanks for linking!


Unfortunately I'm not an Android user, but this looks really awesome. I'm up for a new device soon and if this works as advertised I may make the leap. Thanks!


That looks pretty cool. I had a play with orgs agenda a while back, but the lack of integration with devices made it less useful than it could have been.


I started using orgzly last week. I like it so far. I hope the next version includes note folding.


I've used org-mode to publish books, pocket mods, invoice clients, run tabletop games, organize links and snippets... while text is supposedly the universal interface in the Unix world it does have limitations when it comes to sharing information across devices. I carry my laptop with me so this isn't a problem for me but I know it's there and not yet solved.

A mobile org-mode client with cloud sharing would go a long way.


MobileOrg[1] was good for a while—it had Dropbox and WebDAV support—but it hasn’t had an update in a couple of years and is badly in need of a new maintainer.

[1] https://github.com/MobileOrg/mobileorg


Recently someone has made a new client called Orgzly[1] which is actually really well designed. Sync works well enough for me over Dropbox, though I'd really rather use ssh. I guess overall there's a little impedance mismatch between Org-mode plaintext and mobile interfaces but overall I think it works well.

[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.orgzly


Dropbox support was cool, but I recall MobileOrg being buggy to the point of making it completely useless, not to mention pretty bad UI. This project really needs some love.


It is cool to support Dropbox, but I never make it work since it's buggy.


Relaying an on-topic comment from a hellbanned user[1]:

Please check my hobby, I hope to start writing on it again this summer: https://github.com/berntb/attorg

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9492289


Thanks for doing that. I hate how people can not have any idea that they've been banned. I wonder what he was banned for.


I absolutely see the value in writing journals, agendas and even books using org-mode. It naturally feels like an outline, and with the integrated TODO feature I'm able to check off parts of the document without exporting it to the final form. There is just that gap when I go mobile.

Maybe I should put-up or shut-up and hack on something!



Until something better comes along, use GitHub. It'll render org files.

I've created a couple short-cuts on my iPad:

bex #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE

eex #+END_EXAMPLE


Just out of curiosity, is Power Point really a critical component of your use? Don't get me wrong, there are advantages to using PowerPoint. But the big goal is to prepare information with a computer and then to present that information in various forms. In terms of the big goal, PowerPoint compatibility can be an XY problem. It's one possible means [and perhaps the best means] to the end. There are alternatives...and all this was a round about way to point out Racket's SlideShow library.

http://docs.racket-lang.org/slideshow/index.html


https://github.com/yjwen/org-reveal/ is also pretty nice for exporting from org-mode to a shiny HTML5 presentation


Yes, it absolutely is.


What makes PowerPoint the priority in your workflow?


I used to think I had the same problem. I tried to make sure everything I used could be used in a full-fledged way on my phone. But eventually I realized: This isn't a problem with org-mode, it's a problem with the shitty state of software on mobile devices. And laptops are a good enough way to keep org-mode with me at all times. So I just gave in and used it.


I use org-mode every single day for scheduling and programming. The problem I've got with org-mode is that it is the most unstable project I've ever seen that wasn't considered to be in beta status.

Not only do they change things all the time, making old documentation useless, they'll break things and provide no documentation. For example, I used to use Beamer export for presentations. Then they changed to the new exporter without giving any explanation of how to use it.

I now use Pandoc for things like presentations. It just works for the most part. And importantly, there's actually documentation, as opposed to scraps scattered around the internet that might sort of do what you need if they're sufficiently recent.


I've also been using the bullet journal format for the better part of a year. It's a phenomenal way to stay organized and keep information at hand. It makes quick capture easy and I don't have to worry about losing where I put it later.

If you think in lists or bullet points and have had success with mindmaps then give the bullet journal a try.


Regarding the Power Point thing you might want to check out Beamer. It is a extension for publishing presentations from org mode. http://orgmode.org/worg/exporters/beamer/tutorial.html


The use case that the front page states is:

    >> one use org-mode
    >> her/his team use trello
    >> org-trello is the middle ground!
But this might be the best way to coordinate mobile use (in Trello) and desktop emacs; I've tried to use MobileOrg and I failed to get it to work :(

Another very useful feature of this is that you can create a github repo of your Trello boards.



Nice! Unfortunately, as a vim user this isn't much use to me.

My co-founder and I actually discussed this idea when we started using trello a few months ago. Our idea was that it would be great if you could have a yaml version of your board to play around with and load back in to the system.

Trello is a real pain to load with data, especially when bulk loading cards in to the system when you first start using it. It has keyboard shortcuts and I really tried to make them work effectively but it's just too clumsy to use without a mouse.


Can you give me an idea what keyboard shortcuts you were looking for you didn't have? I have no affiliation with Trello; I'm just curious, since they've been a good fit for my use patterns, and it'd probably be relatively easy to convince the team to add some new ones.


I think it's actually the context of where you're working - the highlighted card could be anywhere on your board.

Eg

   - open Trello
   - go to bottom of a list and click Add a card
   - type the name, <enter>
   - <esc> to leave the adding cards box
   - 'e' for edit, but actually, you're on the first card in the first list
   - <esc> to leave the editor on the wrong card
   - click on the card you want to edit (or arrow over / down until you get to it and hit 'e')
   - 'e' to edit the desc
   - cmd-<enter> to save
   - <esc> to close
   - 'n' to create another card
You need to be careful that you haven't touched the mouse and highlighted a different card during this process too.

It's simultaneously hard to be in the correct context and easy to move to the wrong context. And you have the situation where actions in one context don't move you there, generally.

Looking at it, it feels like it would be way better if creating a card set that as the currently highlighted card.

There are other things too - like you can't create a card in a blank list without clicking on the button. Not in itself a big deal but it's another thing that pushes you away from shortcuts.

Most of the pieces are there. Just that when I tried to use the shortcuts in earnest I found that I couldn't create smooth patterns to make it work. Now I mostly use the mouse because I feel like I'm going to get it wrong if I use the keyboard, and I have to remember too many things instead of concentrating on what I'm trying to enter.

I'm upvoting you in the hopes that your help goes towards making trello better (obviously I should have just sent this feedback myself, naughty me)


Meh, I'm friends with the team and stopping by the office tomorrow anyway, so I figured I'd save you a step.


Thanks :)


evil-mode is a very good emulation of vim in Emacs. I use spacemacs (https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs) which builds on evil-mode with extra goodness. You might find you like one or the other.


With vim's python integration it shouldn't be too hard to add this; the elisp code for org-trello is reasonablly straightforward. I submitted a patch for a bug I found in org-trello when I first used it; it was the first elisp code I'd written.


> Note We do not recommend loading org-trello for each org-mode buffer (see https://github.com/org-trello/org-trello/issues/209). org-trello's an org minor mode with trello abilities (which unfortunately limits org's power).

https://org-trello.github.io/install.html


Hey! I'm an (novice) org-mode user, and a developer at Trello. I think this is really really cool, and just wanted to say thanks for making it.


Wow someone actually made one!

I had the idea last year, but time, laziness and a bit of meh stopped me from fleshing it out. kudos to the author! I will be one of your most devoted users!!!




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