On: Still Here, Part 1: A Memoir

[cousin_it]

> When a woman publicly tells her story and a man tells her that her experiences are invalid

That's what happened with Zoe Quinn, except gender reversed. Her ex told the story of how she abused him, and it got censored and slammed everywhere.

Edit: I'm a bit freaked out by the downvotes. What's wrong with my comment?

[paddyoloughlin → cousin_it]

I have not downvoted you, but the zoe post wasn't slammed because its author's experiences were considered invalid but because it is a textbook example of slut-shaming. And now you are saying that the target of this was an abuser.

And it's a stretch to say thezoepost was censored. It's still available at its original location.

[tomp → paddyoloughlin]

> a textbook example of slut-shaming

Accusing someone of cheating on you is slut-shaming?

[dandelany → tomp]

Accusing someone of cheating on you by posting their personal information and sordid details of the affair on the internet and trying to get as many people to read it as possible? Yep, I'd call that slut-shaming.

[paddyoloughlin → tomp]

That's a very generous description of the zoe post.

If Eron wanted to only accuse Zoe of cheating on him, he could have done that and left it there.

[tomp → paddyoloughlin]

He accused her of being a shitty human being - lying, cheating, denying the above, deceiving the author to have unprotected sex with him (should she be locked up in an embassy?), having double standards/no principles... Still, I can see no slut shaming in the text.

[matt_morgan → tomp]

Yes, it can be.

[anu_gupta → cousin_it]

She didn't abuse him, unless you think every man who's cheated on a woman is also abusive.

[cousin_it → anu_gupta]

That's not all she did, IMO thezoepost is an account of textbook emotional abuse.

[ealexhudson → cousin_it]

To the extent it documents any abuse, it does so in a totally inappropriate and unfair way (obviously to the non-Zoe actors, but also to Zoe). What Zoe has received in return since that post was written is essentially internet mob "justice", on a level that would have sent weaker people past the edge of the abyss. Whatever point Gjoni might have had (and I don't particularly subscribe to the "it's emotional abuse" point of view, as you might guess), it has now been totally lost amongst the volume of obvious abuse of pretty much every type directed at Zoe.

[cousin_it → ealexhudson]

While Zoe is getting death threats, Eron is being smeared by every big site covering the scandal and getting death threats, also the pro-Zoe folks doxxed his parents.

[Infinitesimus → cousin_it]

I haven't heard of this side of the story, mind sharing some references to it? That would be really awful

[cousin_it → Infinitesimus]

It's all over the internet at this point, any references would be biased one way or another. You can look at http://thezoepost.wordpress.com/ for the original account that started that whole mess, but for the rest you're pretty much on your own. For example here's a Reddit thread where an admin gives a non-apology for censorship and says it was by mistake: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2e7y4h/this_is_a_thi...

[medecau → Infinitesimus]

I'm not entyrelly sure but I believe that the event mentioned was the genesis for the GamerGate thing.

Just search gamergate to get an idea of the mess.

[spindritf → cousin_it]

It goes against the preferred political outlook of downmodders. It could have been something as boring as a government statistic and it would have been downvoted just the same.