I think at this point, it's clear to me that Lyft is the one with poor ethics.
I would literally never have heard of Lyft without all of their accusations against Über. Über is trying to poach drivers; Über is getting our C-level guys to baldly incriminate themselves and then jump ship to Über; Über is stealing our cookies; waaaah waaah waaah Uber.
Honestly, I find it impossible to believe the Über team is both this B-movie-level evil, and stupid. It's really, really hard to believe that a COO of a successful startup wouldn't know how to copy documents that are on his OWN MACHINE (the private dropbox documents).
So, since Lyft obviously gets assloads of free publicity from all these accusations, and since I've never seen an actual court judgment against Über reported, I somewhat doubt that these are actually true, or at least not actually provable, since like others have said, if Lyft could successfully sue Über over any one of these things, the media would have even more of a field day than it's having now.
So okay. Über stole your drivers, your COO, shot your dog, made a mean face at you, whatever. Prove it in court. Until then I'm done with this bullshit. And I'll be happily using Über.
(The only thing that Über has really done that's unethical is be as brutally capitalist as they can, but I find that a difficult accusation to level against them since it's not like any other company is doing exactly the same thing. That's a systemic issue, not a local one.)
Edit: You know, if Lyft was running a black-hat PR campaign against Über, it'd be just like them to shill on HN. Thanks for the downvotes, Lyft.
> Honestly, I find it impossible to believe the Uber team is both this B-movie-level evil, and stupid. It's really, really hard to believe that a COO of a successful startup wouldn't know how to copy documents that are on his OWN MACHINE (the private dropbox documents).
> So, since Lyft obviously gets assloads of free publicity from all these accusations, and since I've never seen an actual court judgment against Uber reported, I somewhat doubt that these are actually true, or at least not actually provable, since like others have said, if Lyft could successfully sue Uber over any one of these things, the media would have even more of a field day than it's having now.
So just to clarify, you think Lyft is making these accusations up for the sake of getting publicity?
I admit it's far fetched, but to quote the Romans, who benefits?
Fabricating evidence seems a bit of a stretch, but hey, we're already believing that a COO can't copy files.
I'd say that the most likely explanation is a nice mix of malice and stupidity on both sides. Maybe Uber did do something wrong. Maybe Lyft blew it out of proportion and went to all the journalists they knew to get it out there. Maybe the whole thing is an elaborate triple ruse.
But seriously, are there any publicly available judgments about any of these yet? It's getting unbelievable without them.
Uber completely ignored Philadelphia's telling them that launching uberX there is illegal, then let their own drivers get their personal vehicles impounded in a game of chicken.
Yet Lyft has the poor ethics. Right.
Considering there is serious civil harm arising from making up a lawsuit, do you have any evidence that Lyft's allegations are false or do you just flap your gums because you like Uber more? It never ceases to amaze me how people in all considerations can pick a side and stick to it, ignoring all data that doesn't fit their narrative. You like Uber more, nobody is begrudging you that. Turning your preference into calling Lyft unethical and the rest of your comment is, quite honestly, stupid.
Lyft launched in Miami first, which is a market that Uber didn't enter because driving there without a taxi license was a criminal offense, not merely a fine. Uber has always launched in cities where they knew they could defend the first drivers on the road without long term consequences for those drivers. Lyft launched in Miami without regard to the long term consequences for those drivers that started riding with them. I don't think Uber entered Miami for months and only well after informing the city of Miami that they are going to enter the market if the city doesn't start enforcing their own laws. I don't know about you, but Lyft is no saint either and probably worse if they're willing to put drivers in a position where they end up with a criminal record.
Hey "throwaway", I explicitly pointed out that Uber is as bad as any other company. Where do you think your clothing comes from, a unicorn? No, they come from a child slave in an Indonesian sweatshop. There's no company in the world with good ethics.
That's a great attempt at a diversion, though. It's almost enough to make someone forget that in this country, the United States of America, the greatest and freest country on the face of the earth, all people, including and especially corporations, are INNOCENT until proven GUILTY. Lyft needs to do more than just allegate for me to believe them. So if you have any evidence that Lyft's allegations are TRUE, you can show me (and the court! I'm sure they'd love it) now or take a hike.
I would literally never have heard of Lyft without all of their accusations against Über. Über is trying to poach drivers; Über is getting our C-level guys to baldly incriminate themselves and then jump ship to Über; Über is stealing our cookies; waaaah waaah waaah Uber.
Honestly, I find it impossible to believe the Über team is both this B-movie-level evil, and stupid. It's really, really hard to believe that a COO of a successful startup wouldn't know how to copy documents that are on his OWN MACHINE (the private dropbox documents).
So, since Lyft obviously gets assloads of free publicity from all these accusations, and since I've never seen an actual court judgment against Über reported, I somewhat doubt that these are actually true, or at least not actually provable, since like others have said, if Lyft could successfully sue Über over any one of these things, the media would have even more of a field day than it's having now.
So okay. Über stole your drivers, your COO, shot your dog, made a mean face at you, whatever. Prove it in court. Until then I'm done with this bullshit. And I'll be happily using Über.
(The only thing that Über has really done that's unethical is be as brutally capitalist as they can, but I find that a difficult accusation to level against them since it's not like any other company is doing exactly the same thing. That's a systemic issue, not a local one.)
Edit: You know, if Lyft was running a black-hat PR campaign against Über, it'd be just like them to shill on HN. Thanks for the downvotes, Lyft.