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Does it strike anyone else that Apple's product line is starting to sound complicated?


Yes, and recall that this was one of the key problems that Jobs fixed when he came back.

Bigger iPad=Air, but smaller Macbook=Air. Bigger Macbook=Pro, but bigger iPhone=Plus.

When the iWatch comes out, it'll get worse.


> Yes, and recall that this was one of the key problems that Jobs fixed when he came back.

What we have now is not comparable. Check out the timeline here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Apple_Macintosh_mo...

Take a look at 1995 where there were at least 18 different Mac models simultaneously available. They all had different marketing part numbers and to add the confusion, some were actually the same machine under 3 different brandings[1]. The graph doesn't show the different brandings, so the lineup was actually much more complicated than it looks.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadra_630


Air doesn't mean bigger/smaller, it means lighter.

Expect an iPad Pro soon, probably heavier but with much more capability.


Actually, it's just called the Watch.

(Case and point)


To be even more pedantic: ᴡᴀᴛᴄʜ


He's right, in all the branding in all the promotional materials that I've seen, they use 0xF8FF.

I looked it up, 0xF8FF () is the Apple symbol. If it renders as a square/rectangular box on your computer, it's because it's trademarked and a logo, which means you need an Apple font to render it. (Which I/you don't have, because Apple fonts only come with Apple computers.)

Just responding because I saw this comment was downvoted.


And if you're using some common Linux fonts (I'm pretty sure it's dejavu, in this case) that character renders as the Klingon Empire logo.

0xF8FF is in the Unicode Private Use range, so any font is allowed to put whatever they want there :) (If you're curious what your current font has: http://www.unicodemap.org/range/78/Private_Use/)


actually, 0xF8FF is in a unicode private use area.

Font designers can put whatever they want there, and some do (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Use_Areas#U.2BF8FF)

Apple has standardized some characters in that range in its products, but there is no guarantee that you get an Apple logo there.


Sure, what about the second version (coming , I guess, in about 7 months? ) Watch 2 ?


Watch Air.


Not to me. Just to list the current models:

Tablets: iPad Mini 3, iPad Air 2.

Phones: iPhone 6, iPhone 6+.

Desktops: Mac Mini, iMac, Mac Pro.

Portables: Macbook Air, Macbook Pro.

You can even make that list ordered by size from memory like I did, and I'm not an Apple guy although I have a Mini that runs windows, and an iPad Air).


Your listing is simplified compared to the actual lineup

* The non-air iPad Retina and non-retina Mini are still part of the lineup

* the 5S and 5C are still part of the lineup

* the iMac exists in 21 and 27"

* the rMBP exists in 13 and 15"

* the MBA exists in 11 and 13"

* the 13" MBP still exists


Yes, they sell a generation of older products, non retina iPad and mini, as well as the 5C and S. That makes a total of 4 iPads and 4 phones, not counting storage/color variations. a 21 and 27 inch iMac are still both iMacs, and that's just a size variant, not a whole different product. Same for the MBA and MBP, those are simply size/feature differences, not entirely different products. Would you also then break out each and every storage/ram/cpu combination on the MBA and MBP lines? I doubt it. It's still a fraction of what other makers produce.


> a 21 and 27 inch iMac are still both iMacs

The 6 and 6+ are still both iPhone 6s, the only difference beside size is extremely minor (optical stabilization), not entirely different products.

> Same for the MBA and MBP, those are simply size/feature differences, not entirely different products.

See above.

> Would you also then break out each and every storage/ram/cpu combination on the MBA and MBP lines? I doubt it. It's still a fraction of what other makers produce.

That's swapping out parts obtained from third parties (hence BTO), different display sizes lead to difference in effective uses, and require very different internal chassis.


He said "current" models, not all existing models. I understood current as "latest."


Current is most definitely != latest. Current means any model that is still in production and being sold, although admittedly for some manufacturers those two things don't usually align, Apple has a tendency to remove models immediately from the line up when they cease production.


While that is true, you clearly understood I was talking about the line of latest products. Even when you look at others, all you add is the older Mini, older iPad, and a few variations on the portables and desktops. It's still a very small suite of products compared to any other comparable manufacturer. It's pretty much one item in each category, with in0line variations on size/capacity.


1. these are all current models, they're currently produced and sold on the store. In fact the list is still incomplete since it's missing 3 different iPods (Touch, Nano and Shuffle)

2. Even if you understand "current" as "latest" (which is most definitely a non-standard definition) that removes the old MBP, the 5's and the leftover ipads, the ipods and various screen sizes of macs remain.


"I have a Mini that runs windows"

Dang. We can't be friends.


It dual boots, but I do most stuff in Windows or in a terminal to a few linux boxes.


I was just trolling. We're cool.


It's been a long time coming. I mean, do we even know whether 5S or 5C refer to anything in particular?

What's really weird that they don't have an iPad Pro in that lineup, because that was what we assumed to be the reason they went with the name "iPad Air".


Yes, the S model is a faster (_S_peedier) version of the previous model. 3GS, 4S, 5S. The C means it's the _C_olored variant.


(and/or "cheap")


My feelings/words exactly. Too many screen sizes, too many products. Probably they need 2/2 matrix again :-)


> Too many screen sizes

Meh. They've got 2 display sizes for each product (with displays), basically: 6/6+, iPad Mini/Air, iMac 21/27, MBA 11/13 and rMBP 13/15. The iMac and MBP used to have 3 display sizes each, and at one point there were 5 different iPod models sold at the same time (Shuffle 2G, Shuffle 3G, Nano 4G, Classic 6G and Touch 2G)

Leftover products (non-retina iPad mini, non-air retina iPad, MBP13, 5C and 5S) are a bigger annoyance I'd say.


The problem for Apple is that they sometimes want to move fast and change things, but that necessitates leaving people behind. Their preferred solution during the last decade or so is to mostly keep the old products around for a while, but deemphasise them in their marketing.

I do think that’s the right approach, actually.


Starting to get sloppy.


You mean like the iPod Classic, Mini, Nano, Shuffle, Touch?




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