Yes, likely we know what the effects of ozone depletion would be if we in fact had some significant ozone depletion.
I've never seen any meaningful evidence of ozone loss. Yes, yes, yes, I know, there was publicity and/or propaganda of a big ozone hole over the Antarctic, right, in the winter in the Antarctic when there was no sunlight at all. Semi-, pseudo-, quasi-amazing. It was presented just as propaganda, not as solid evidence with who measured it, how, when, where, etc. with comparisons with elsewhere, with the Antarctic at other times of the year and in other years, the Arctic, etc. It was just propaganda. It wasn't much better than the Mayan charlatans claiming that without pouring blood on a rock the sun would stop moving across the sky.
"Keep trying"? Sounds like medicine 500 years ago -- let's try some of this sulfur, now some of this broth of boiled rat tails, now some of these leaches. We've had hundreds of years to know that such mindless, irrational throwing trash against the wall to see what sticks is just wasteful or dangerous and we shouldn't do it.
Or, if it ain't broke, then don't fix it, and so far there is no good evidence that anything is broken. Moreover, even if there is a problem, there's still less evidence that humans are the cause.
Much stronger evidence is that some manipulators and propagandists can make people feel guilty for no good reason. It's social and psychological, not physical or scientific. Some good technical people can be a bit eager to believe that there is a genuine problem and a bit slow to see just simple, silly, psychological manipulation.
"Consequences of ozone loss"? Yes, the "consequences" would be bad, but we shouldn't worry about such consequences until we have some solid evidence of significant "ozone loss" due to human activity, and so far we don't. There would also be terrible "consequences" if the sun quit shining, but we don't try to DO something about that yet.
You are acting like someone convinced you that you are a terrible sinner, that you are doing something very wrong, and that you need to sacrifice this and that, whatever, until you are no longer doing something wrong, etc. As I outlined, that's a very old, dirty, destructive, manipulative mind trick. You've been totally taken in.
Instead, it's much more likely that you should be concerned about being manipulated by a hidden agenda, that you should follow the money, that you should know that politics is more important than ozone. It's just not about ozone.
Warm, sincere advice: Just gotta be really gullible to believe that this is actually about ozone. Or, some people want to be on your back and into your pocket. Not nearly a new story, but one, a scam, that has worked for 1000+ years.
Why? Because people tend to be afraid. And, when in doubt, still be afraid. Be afraid of anything that goes "bunp" in the night. Be afraid of what's under the bed. Be afraid of anything new. Be afraid that are doing something wrong. Be afraid when authority figures talk about the sky is falling. Then, afraid, believe that need to do something, certainly not just do nothing. So, something, say, what some manipulative propagandist authority figure is saying to do. Let them be on your back and pick your pocket. Let them ruin your A/C and, then, sell you new A/C at much higher prices, all for no good reason of science or engineering.
Based on your wall of text I have to assume that you're serious. I'm also going to venture a guess that you haven't looked into the literature on ozone depletion at all, or you're not well versed in the science and you don't understand it. Not only are there a plethora of papers out there from a variety of different sources, with different funding, spread over decades, (here's a simple search[1]), but this was actually a problem that garnered international collaboration. That is phenomenally rare on environmental topics, particularly those where local emissions collectively lead to global impacts.
Here's a straight review[2] for you to read through and perhaps understand this issue a little better.
I did follow the arguments when the ozone hole stuff was making a big stink. As I already wrote here, I know a guy got a Nobel prize in chemistry for his work on CFCs and ozone.
But I also know that for "garnered international collaboration", a much better explanation is follow the money to flow to the chemical industry for outlawing cheap, commodity Freon, ruining a lot of refrigeration capex, and selling new refrigeration working fluid, at high prices, and capex.
Ozone? Surely you are joking. Money and politics? Now for the real cause, that's believable.
Okay, I just followed your [1] and, there, the first link,
S. Solomon, et al., "On the Depletion of Antarctic Ozone",
Okay, just as I recall: There have been some measurements of an ozone hole over Antarctica during the late winter and early spring there when there has been no sunlight for months. Of course there was ozone depletion; there had been no sunlight for months; we can't expect anything else.
Since that good measurement effort was new, we didn't have much good, historical data to compare; that is, as far as we know, there has been such a big ozone hole each late winter and early spring in the Antarctic for 1000+ years, that is, well before human generated CFCs.
But the paper did make clear that their measurements showed a hole only during the late winter and early spring and only over Antarctica. There was little discussion of an ozone hole over the Arctic. There was essentially no evidence to raise concern that ozone would be depleted in areas with both sunlight and humans.
Why just Antarctica and not also the Arctic? The paper outlined some differences in temperature and clouds.
As I already wrote, there was some cute chemistry there.
Of concern on earth where there is both life and sunlight? Nope. So, for life on earth where there is both sunlight and life, f'get about the ozone hole.
Indeed, if want to worry about life in Antarctica, say, the penguins, still nothing to worry about because the ozone hole is only there when there is no sunlight and, thus, no UV to worry about. Even over Antarctica, even with the CFCs from sinful, evil humans, when there is sunlight, there is ozone, from the paper apparently at reasonable levels, and no concern about UV hurting life.
So, why the big stink? Look for a hidden agenda. Follow the money. A big trilogy of sin, evil, transgression, retribution, redemption. Manipulation. Propaganda. Politics. Take a little, cute but nearly irrelevant, science and blow it up with a lot of scare headlines (get ad revenue) and build a big consensus to permit picking the pockets of everyone who wants to use refrigeration. So, a flim-flam, fraud, scam. Suspicions confirmed.
Science showing threat to humans? Nope.
Got some better evidence? If so, then trot it out. Else we should move on and f'get about the ozone hole.
But, we can learn a lesson: Some people who want to pick pockets with a hidden agenda can misuse and exploit a little science and use a lot of publicity and propaganda to mislead much of the world. And ozone is not the only threat they can scream about.
Too much of the Hacker News community looks too gullible.
I've never seen any meaningful evidence of ozone loss. Yes, yes, yes, I know, there was publicity and/or propaganda of a big ozone hole over the Antarctic, right, in the winter in the Antarctic when there was no sunlight at all. Semi-, pseudo-, quasi-amazing. It was presented just as propaganda, not as solid evidence with who measured it, how, when, where, etc. with comparisons with elsewhere, with the Antarctic at other times of the year and in other years, the Arctic, etc. It was just propaganda. It wasn't much better than the Mayan charlatans claiming that without pouring blood on a rock the sun would stop moving across the sky.
"Keep trying"? Sounds like medicine 500 years ago -- let's try some of this sulfur, now some of this broth of boiled rat tails, now some of these leaches. We've had hundreds of years to know that such mindless, irrational throwing trash against the wall to see what sticks is just wasteful or dangerous and we shouldn't do it.
Or, if it ain't broke, then don't fix it, and so far there is no good evidence that anything is broken. Moreover, even if there is a problem, there's still less evidence that humans are the cause.
Much stronger evidence is that some manipulators and propagandists can make people feel guilty for no good reason. It's social and psychological, not physical or scientific. Some good technical people can be a bit eager to believe that there is a genuine problem and a bit slow to see just simple, silly, psychological manipulation.
"Consequences of ozone loss"? Yes, the "consequences" would be bad, but we shouldn't worry about such consequences until we have some solid evidence of significant "ozone loss" due to human activity, and so far we don't. There would also be terrible "consequences" if the sun quit shining, but we don't try to DO something about that yet.
You are acting like someone convinced you that you are a terrible sinner, that you are doing something very wrong, and that you need to sacrifice this and that, whatever, until you are no longer doing something wrong, etc. As I outlined, that's a very old, dirty, destructive, manipulative mind trick. You've been totally taken in.
Instead, it's much more likely that you should be concerned about being manipulated by a hidden agenda, that you should follow the money, that you should know that politics is more important than ozone. It's just not about ozone.
Warm, sincere advice: Just gotta be really gullible to believe that this is actually about ozone. Or, some people want to be on your back and into your pocket. Not nearly a new story, but one, a scam, that has worked for 1000+ years.
Why? Because people tend to be afraid. And, when in doubt, still be afraid. Be afraid of anything that goes "bunp" in the night. Be afraid of what's under the bed. Be afraid of anything new. Be afraid that are doing something wrong. Be afraid when authority figures talk about the sky is falling. Then, afraid, believe that need to do something, certainly not just do nothing. So, something, say, what some manipulative propagandist authority figure is saying to do. Let them be on your back and pick your pocket. Let them ruin your A/C and, then, sell you new A/C at much higher prices, all for no good reason of science or engineering.
It's a scam. It's time to call it a scam.