This honestly needs to be voted back up to at least neutral. I don't think QuantumChaos is trolling or anything like that here, and it's honestly an important point.
I don't know how many of you here have South or South East Asian parents, especially those who are first generation immigrants. I live in Canada (in Toronto!), so I get to talk to fellow immigrants about this all the time. It's pretty much accepted that many of our parents are racist. I have a Tamil friend who will only date other Tamils because of her parents. My Korean friends know that their parents will disapprove of them dating non-Koreans. My Chinese friend caused a stir in her family when she dated an African.
A lot of these parents will not have a problem with other ethnicities or whatever. They're not going to call anyone a nigger, or a gwielo, or a towelhead or whatever. They're not going to avoid talking to someone of a different skin color. They'll happily go out and be real and true friends of whoever. But they'll want their children to 'keep the tradition' or whatever.
This is a real thing. And it is a real racism. Whether or not we think its an acceptable thing is one thing. But if we let the Korean immigrants get away with it, then we can't get too upset at when the 'white people' do it.
Thanks for expanding on my point. I would also add that it's not just about the act of self-selection, but the way the communities are viewed in themselves.
Exactly the same qualities are described in very different terms, e.g. a tight knit community which upholds their traditions and values in the face of modernity, vs inbred, ignorant bigots.
The main difference between my viewpoint and others who make similar arguments, is that I'm not saying this is an actual contradiction. There are many differences in context which mean that the two cannot be directly compared. However, there is what I would call a discrepancy. The author of this piece never made a logical argument, that what is good for White communities isn't good for others. He simply painted a picture, which many people might find compelling. If I can expose this discrepancy, people might find these narratives less compelling.
The "discrepancy" you are oh-so-desperately trying to invent is, if anything, the difference between a racist culture that has dominated a nation, and reactions to that racism.
Hunter S Thompson's narrative IS compelling, because that racism was and is still rampant in the United States.
1. (Sociology) the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others
If I know another high school is equal or better to my alma mater, but prefer my son go to my old stomping ground, is that wrong?
If I prefer my son date someone from our geographical region, with similar cultural upbringing, is that wrong?
If I know another high school is equal or better to my alma mater, but prefer my son go to my old stomping ground, is that wrong?
Not wrong, that just sounds nostalgic.
If I prefer my son date someone from our geographical region, with similar cultural upbringing, is that wrong?
Here's a thought experiment. Suppose you're of "Race A" and your son is dating a person of "Race B" from your geographical region, with similar cultural upbringing (perhaps she was adopted, perhaps her family moved abroad when she was a baby)?
Details don't matter - the point is that she's exactly the same culturally, religiously, on all other axes that matter, except that she's of a different ethnic group, "Race B", compared to the majority which is "Race A".
I'd say, if you don't mind that scenario, then you're not a racist. If you do mind that, then you are a racist. Just trying to factor out race/ethnicity and culture to make sure that one is not being used as a proxy for the other.
For what it's worth, one of my most trusted, intelligent and mature friends is black. It frustrates me when stereotypical liberals tell me I just have a "token black friend". I didn't know I had to have at least two black friends to not be racist.
Most "racism" is a problem with culture and politics, not with skin color, which is not racism.
Nope, he deserves every one last of his downvotes. Nothing about that little diatribe contributed anything to this conversation.
As soon as his whining started about how horribly "White culture" (whatever the hell that is) is treated in America, we knew what we were dealing with.
I don't know how many of you here have South or South East Asian parents, especially those who are first generation immigrants. I live in Canada (in Toronto!), so I get to talk to fellow immigrants about this all the time. It's pretty much accepted that many of our parents are racist. I have a Tamil friend who will only date other Tamils because of her parents. My Korean friends know that their parents will disapprove of them dating non-Koreans. My Chinese friend caused a stir in her family when she dated an African.
A lot of these parents will not have a problem with other ethnicities or whatever. They're not going to call anyone a nigger, or a gwielo, or a towelhead or whatever. They're not going to avoid talking to someone of a different skin color. They'll happily go out and be real and true friends of whoever. But they'll want their children to 'keep the tradition' or whatever.
This is a real thing. And it is a real racism. Whether or not we think its an acceptable thing is one thing. But if we let the Korean immigrants get away with it, then we can't get too upset at when the 'white people' do it.