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Giving money to a hate group is not a "freedom of speech" OR a "freedom of thought" issue. At that point you've crossed the line from thought to action.

This isn't really hard to understand. And I for one am sick and tired of people invoking the beaten-to-death "but freedom of speeech!" argument when called on bad behavior. Freedom is a two way street.

Not to mention the fact it's a double standard. People saying that Eich did a bad thing is wrong and somehow infringing on freedom, but Eich giving money to a group who wants to legislate fundamentalist religious ideals is not infringing? What the fuck?!

Wow. Downvoted to -4 for calling donating to hate groups wrong. This is a new low for HN.




Disagree with someone? Quick, declare them a hate group!


Pretty sure campaigning for legalized discrimination is the objective definition of a hate group.


Are those who would be against polyamorous marriage a "hate group"?


How about interracial marriage instead? Double standards are appaling in this case. I've just read Marco's http://www.marco.org/2014/04/04/political-views and I think he hits the nail on the head.


I don't find the comparison all that revealing. Clearly, there is no substantive difference between races. However, there are a few obvious substantive differences between genders, and these differences might lead one to a different belief regarding marriage. A belief in outlawing interracial marriage necessarily comes from hateful beliefs. A belief regarding gay marriage doesn't necessarily come from hate/homophobia.


> Clearly, there is no substantive difference between races.

http://jaymans.wordpress.com/hbd-fundamentals/


I should clarify: substantive differences within this context. I don't deny that there are differences.


Irrelevant.


Its relevant as it reveals your rationale for defining "hate group" as suspect if you aren't willing to apply that same label to this hypothetical.


I'm not about to go off into the weeds with you on a completely separate topic that I swear every single anti-equality person jumps to as a matter of course. Views on equal marriage rights are completely irrelevant to how many people a person should be able to marry - the concerns raised are completely different both on a sociological and a legal level.

This conversation is over.


This conversation is over.

Well, now that's a terribly effective argument.




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