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It's worth comparing this poll to the one about whether HN should display comment scores: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2595605

Only 38.5% of users were in favor of comment scores being hidden, but it was decidedly a positive change for the site.




> it was decidedly a positive change for the site.

Was it?

When things were transparent, there were no reason to upvote interesting trollish comments.

Now they get blindly up-voted for being interesting. For example, consider this article:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7436401

About 5 facebook engineers are answering questions. They are of course buried by a meta discussion about whether facebook should use PHP at all.

Since the change, I have written a few 50+ karma comments, and all were trolls. The change makes me like my own comments less. Getting a "high score" just requires posting something popular and mildly offensive, where as before, people could weigh, "what conversation is most important".


Agree. I'll add that the most frustrating thing to me is this: 3 comments in a row, are ranked as #1, #2, and #3. I end up reading crap, or not reading good things because that order tells me almost nothing. If I saw the scores, and they were 200, 5, 3, I could know to skip the bottom 2 if I wasn't very interested in the topic. If the scores were 200, 199, 198, I would be sure not to neglect reading #3.


Not seeing the scores also encourages hijacking visibility by replying to the top comment.

   #1 score 1000
      ->#2 score 5
   #3 score 800
We end up reading comment #2 before and often instead of #3.

Most really popular posts load 4-5 comments in reply to the actual post in the first page of comments. It's honestly ridiculous. I would really love to be able to collapse comment trees like on reddit, and even better if they aggressively collapsed by default based on their score.


Some simple comment auto-collapsing logic (like Reddit has, it's nothing magic) would actualy be "the simplest thing that could possibly work", a lot better and more straight-forward than adding yet another (third!) layer of voting to the comments.

Also I agree that hiding scores was not "decidedly a positive change", for the reason rando289 points out, among other things. It's just so useful information. Sure it changes the way people deal out votes, but in the end it's all about how the posts are sorted, not the individual points, and I doubt the sort-order will change much (and if it does, whether it'd be worse).


My most up-voted comment is this:

"2048 is HN's Flappy Bird"

Hardly enlightening or interesting.


Amount of upvotes for a given post are about a lot of other factors than just the quality of comment. Time of day is a major factor, for instance.


As a fun aside, the other day a coworker and I noticed that HNsearch actually shows comment scores when you view per author: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=sillysaurus3#!/comment/forever/pre...

(I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, but interesting none the less.)


Shh, now they'll turn it off!


Prove that it was a positive change. If anything it's made parsing the comments harder IMO as the comment count provides extra context about how the community feels about the comment.


Your comment brings up a really great point.

Hiding comment karma actually took something away from the community.

If it added something. I did not see it.


Jeebus. I been waiting SOOOO long for a chance to tell everyone how much I hate hidden comment karma. Here is my chance. Ok. I am done. Sorry I just had to vent.

Edit: Crap! my comment is pending... I guess I won't get to say it at all.


A few notes:

1) That poll was conducted well after the change. That makes it a very different type of poll.

2) This change has half as much support, if you ignore the wait-and-sees.


Why on earth would you ignore the "wait-and-sees"?


It was hard to compare a yes/no poll with a yes/no/idk poll. So I dropped the idk. They didn't think it wouldn't work, and they didn't think it would work, so there was no parallel to the other poll.


Is there a follow-up poll showing that it's "decidedly a positive change"? :-)


According to rkuykendall-com, that actually was the follow-up poll, held after the change was implemented.

So no, it was not widely regarded to be a decidedly positive change.


I disagree. With the scores visible I found it easier to pick out the best comments.




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