On: Martin Gräßlin, KDE: "Good Bye, Ubuntu"

[nknighthb]

That is an attack on code, not people. It has no resemblance to Shuttleworth's remarks.

[pygy_ → nknighthb]

> "They should just use the system titlebars and not do their own stupid things."

This is a personal insult.

[belorn → pygy_]

The word "They" refers to Chromium.

Saying that a program and its behavior is stupid, is not a personal insult. For example, I think my gnome3 fallback menu bar is stupid for crashing when loading its icons for a particular sub menu (running unstable). I do not however think that gnome3 developers are stupid.

[Jasper_ → belorn]

Have you reported the bug upstream? I'm a GNOME developer and I haven't heard of this crash.

[belorn → Jasper_]

No I have not. On Debian Unstable, I always give the bugs a few months to sort themselves out. Could be a problem in the packages recent dependencies, graphic driver regression, or who knows.

I also want to do some preliminary debugging of the issue before sending in a bug report.

[pygy_ → belorn]

He's criticizing a design decision, an inetention, not a bug.

[nknighthb → pygy_]

I know people are prone to take such remarks personally, but it's directed at the action, not the person. "You did something stupid" is not "You are stupid".

[chris_wot → pygy_]

It's inflammatory, sure. But it's not a personal insult, the "they" is collective.

[pygy_ → chris_wot]

    (map stupid-behavior! chrome-developers)