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On a touch screen, so I accidentally upvoted you. Your comment perfectly embodies everything I hate about the Bay Area, and recently HN. The smugness seems very ignorant; so many people have convinced themselves that they are smarter than the rest of the world. I'm sick of the culture of Silicon Valley.


And I think many in the valley are sick of your false egalitarianism.

Some people smarter than other people. And those people, on average will get paid more.

I don't see a whole lot of rage when people talk about how it takes good people skills to get a lot of jobs. But the moment intelligence becomes a requirement, everyone suddenly thinks that's unfair, or there is no such thing as intelligence.

I don't deny that there are many factors leading to higher SV salaries, but intelligence is also a factor.

For example I came from a very ordinary middle class background. To the extent that I have more education and a higher salary than people with the same background, I attribute it to my intelligence. I don't think that makes me better than other people, even though I'm constantly told that having better social skills makes you better than other people. And I don't think that there is a level playing field either, but conditional on my background I still earn a relatively high salary.

The counterpart to the smugness you complain about is your moral smugness. And there is plenty of that on HN too.


I think your comment is a great example of the smugness that I see too commonly in this bubble. You're basically saying, "we're so smart here in the valley, and that's why we're paid more." Your comment has nothing to do with what I was talking about.


Related: 90% of people think they are smarter than average.

Inference: 90% of engineers probably think they are smarter than average engineers


Not necessary. Engineers are usually smarter to not to think that way.


Ah yes, engineers, we so smart! Gimme a secret smart-club handshake. No way we'd fall victim to something so silly as that.


Stupidity is ubiquitous!

I do not think you can segment Engineers different from the society & Humans in General ... There are Arrogant people everywhere, those who think they are in some way better than others. Not just that, they think everyone else is stupid :)


> Not necessary. Engineers are usually smarter to not to think that way.

I've known too many arrogant engineers to believe this is true.


Proving the parents point I think :)


Not thinking doesn't imply not beingness.

One might also say - they're not smart enough to realize that they are smarter. [But this is another PoV].


Engineers don't have any intrinsic smartness advantage over non-engineers. We're (much) better at some things and (much) worse at others.


Tbh I would expect higher intelligence among engineers vs the general public if only due to selection effects. Smart kids tend to be more pushed towards professions under that label and are better able to meet the challenges associated with getting a job there such as earning a degree or learning enough to be useful.


I guess I should have added some smiles to my previous comments :)




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