Lennart works almost alone, his "open intentions" are to explicitly not support the wider open source community (like non-Linux kernels and non-GNOME desktops), and he "contributes" to virtually nothing but his own inventions of questionable technical merit.
I don't see anything wrong with a single developer concentrating on a few projects? How many developers do you know that make significant contributions to many different projects?!
Do you have a source for you claim that lennarts explicitely not supports non-Gnome? I think it is pretty clear that he doesn't support non-Linux, but why is that wrong?
On the other hand: What i don't like about Canonical is their latest move to first pretend to support Wayland and then mysteriously presenting Mir all the while spreading bullshit about how Wayland is not good enough.
> I don't see anything wrong with a single developer concentrating on a few projects?
Neither would I, if they were projects worth concentrating on or of any meaningful long-term value to the community.
> I think it is pretty clear that he doesn't support non-Linux, but why is that wrong?
systemd invites/demands dependencies on its own, unique interfaces that do not and will not exist outside Linux. This retards progress of other projects in supporting non-Linux systems.
> What i don't like about Canonical is their latest move to first pretend to support Wayland and then mysteriously presenting Mir all the while spreading bullshit about how Wayland is not good enough.
Red Hat began to support Upstart before switching to their in-house systemd and spreading bullshit about how Upstart is not good enough.
Why is it OK when Red Hat tries to come up with new things but not Canonical? Do you work for one of these companies?
> Looking into the git contributions he is not even the one who contributed most!
No, not working for any of them. See my comment that it's still incorrect saying Lennart does all the work.
You can easily check the git yourself, go ahead.
Even taking out udev shows Kay Sievers contributing nearly as much as Lennart. It also shows many other people contributing. That there is a main developer that does a lot of work is not something negative about a project, isn't it?!
> their latest move to first pretend to support Wayland
In November 2010 [1].
> and then mysteriously presenting Mir
In March 2013 [2].
Technologies change. The best path to follow can change. Switching paths over two years is surely acceptable and reasonable for any company. Claiming that Canonical "pretended" is false and misleading - or do you have any evidence of this?
> Looking into the git contributions he is not even the one who contributed most!
Others have already rebutted this: udev accounts for most other contributors, leaving Lennart for the vast majority of systemd.
Do you have anything to say that isn't deliberately misleading?
Development of Mir started 9 months earlier. So they basically lied into the face of the whole Free Software community and the Wayland developers who counted on their support by not communicating their change of heart.
Explicitly not support other desktops? That's wrong, systemd is supported by various desktops. In any case systemd is different level, a desktop should add support, not the other way around. Obviously best if a systemd developer helps out with that effort in a desktop, but suggesting systemd project needs to have knowledge/support for desktops is crazy. It doesn't support GNOME, GNOME has support for systemd!
Various desktops were forced to adapt to systemd's insanities. This is different from systemd attempting to be a good citizen and support existing mechanisms.
Just because I pointed out flaws in your arguments doesn't make it ok to respond like this. Please refute what I said based on clear references and without name calling such as "insanities".
E.g. you said: "forced": prove it. Also, you didn't back up your previous claims, just made different claims.
Thank you, I've read Lennart's shameless lies on this and many other matters. The truth in this particular case was revealed by Steve Langasek in the recent debian-devel thread[1]. Almost 80% of the systemd code is by Lennart.
Nope, that is changing the wording to suit yourself. He started the project and is able to work full time on this.
A Mageia packager contributed some very good patches towards systemd. He's not in the email on debian-devel, while he monitors systemd , works with Lennart and others, etc.
Our Mageia packager is not included. One of the patches he wrote: During the development of the journal he fixed a really important journal memory bug. Took a lot of effort to figure out, etc.
But the arbitrary '100 patches' is introduced. Seems rebuttal is pretty biased.
PS: Upstart has had 17 contributors. Systemd has 15 people with commit access. Systemd seems way more viable.
That's just not true, you are talking bullshit here.
You can look into the git repository yourself and see who contributed most lines. And it was Kay Sievers, not even Lennart Poettering.
edit: @nknight followup:
Did you even look into git for yourself?
Even with excluding udev the top contributors are:
613 Fabiano Fidêncio
812 Lukas Nykryn
929 Auke Kok
1138 Simon McVittie
1149 Marc-Antoine Perennou
2125 Dan Horák
2215 Thomas Bächler
3619 Harald Hoyer
7924 Michael Biebl
18850 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
30226 Tomasz Torcz
168803 Kay Sievers
170196 Lennart Poettering
Kay Sievers wrote udev, which Lennart swallowed into systemd and proceeded to make unusable outside his own pet configurations. Exclude the pre-existing udev, which was and should have remained a separate project, and it's all Lennart.
It feels like you are implying Kay didn't work with Lennart. it's simply not true. The systemd mailling list was created in May 2010 and Kay was already registered and posting there. Check the archives. They were working on systemd from the start in a RedHat-Suse joint effort.
Also udev merge into systemd would have not happened without Kay's consent.
And I don't understand why people get downvoted just beacuse they correct you.
I did not downvote, but my guess is because you obviously did not read the email linked to which showed the numbers with udev excluded.
udev and systemd are two separate projects who happen to live in the same repository (nothing wrong with that!) so you have to remember to exclude udev when looking at contributors for systemd.
I did read it. What does it tells you ? Well that Lennart did the commit of the first original. Has it occurred to you that they could have work together on the design ? That Kay might have reviewed/coded all or part of the prototype ?
The git can not show that. And unless Kay himself state the contrary we will not know. Lennart says Kay was associated to the project from the start. If it were not true, wouldn't have Kay said something by now ?
I don't always agree with directions Lennart goes, or on the methods. But that does not justify ferocious ad hominem attacks I've read.
I do not support the idea that Pottering wrote it without consulting people, but what is certain is that he wrote almost all of the code himself and since your comment talked about looking in git I assumed you were talking about code authorship.
Why you think Canonical is any worse eludes me.