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NYC law firm employee convicted of stealing $376,000 worth of copy machine toner (manhattanda.org)
37 points by t0dd on April 18, 2013 | hide | past | favorite | 25 comments


There was a corruption scandal in Australia where government employees were recieving sizable kickbacks for ordering 40 years worth of toner at 3 times the retail price http://www.itnews.com.au/News/260705,vic-govt-stung-by-print...


That sounds like every government purchase of IT systems ever.

(I seem to read news about some US govt department buying IT systems for 3~10x the price every month)


Probably about 2 days of overcharging of clients by the firm as a whole, but he's blue collar, so off to jail with him. Which about sums it all up, really.


Embezzlement, which is what this was [1], is a white-collar crime. Just like overcharging clients. In fact, there's nothing to even suggest that he was a "blue-collar worker", particularly if he was entrusted with making hundreds of thousands of dollars of purchases.

Not everything needs to be a socio-economic conspiracy theory. Justice prevailed here. If you have evidence that this law firm is fraudulently overcharging its clients, I suggest you present that evidence to the authorities. In the meantime, don't try to insinuate that this guy was somehow a victim.

[1] I know technically the conviction was for larceny. Looking at the 3rd paragraph of the following, it can be seen as a pretty blurry line: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embezzlement#Embezzlement_versu.... Based on the example there, it seems like the charge could just have easily fit the definition of embezzlement.


How is overcharging clients a crime? You mean billing for time that wasn't actually spent on the client, right?


" The building circular – A cage, glazed – a glass lantern about the Size of Ranelagh – The prisoners in their cells, occupying the circumference – The officers in the centre. By blinds and other contrivances, the inspectors concealed - from the observation of the prisoners: hence the sentiment of a sort of omnipresence – The whole circuit reviewable with little, or if necessary without any, change of place. One station in the inspection part affording the most perfect view of every cell. " [1]

[1] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon


Two days of profits having to pay a single employee's wanton ink cartridge spending is pretty serious.


That's like 4 Xerox drum cartridges?


Copy toner is the new cocaine!


Ironically, Tide detergent actually is the new drug currency: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5023204


Here in Santa Cruz, bike seat posts and rims are recycled by junkies to get their next hit.

Frames and other less desirable/recyclable parts are just left as trash.


What makes frames less desirable than seat posts, may I ask? (I guess if seat posts are steel and the frame is aluminum?)


Seatposts and rims seem to be easier to transport and hide in transit.

Common wisdom is a seatpost gets you about $10 which helps towards one's daily fix.

Actually bike theft around here falls into two categories -- high end that are shipped out of area quickly and low end which are chopped up and "recycled" for a quick buck.

Lots of the chop shops have been found of late due to a community effort to try and clean things up.


It's easy to put a lock through a frame.. A seat post not so much so.


If i had to guess:

1. frames cost more so harder to flip

2. frames typically have a serial number (equivalency of a VIN) which make them trackable for theft.


After Sandy in NYC some jerks were raiding houses for copper — just depressing...


A certain segment has been raiding for copper for a long time. An old building I worked in in downtown Sacramento was flooded because someone stole the copper water pipes on the next building over -- shooting water into our building. This was back in like 2008/2009.


They were doing a subtle PSA - put plastic pipes in the house.


Why?

It's just construction theft. Stealings not great but it happens, no reason to get depressed about it.

Not like they were looting straight after the storm or any thing, perhaps that might be depressing but looting in natural disasters is just a myth. A strange myth people cling to, I can think of happier fables to believe in.


Trolling? Here's a fairly extreme example of looting: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/hurri...

Try googling <event name> and "looting" and look for verified or police reports rather than Nth hand rumor and "looting has been reported".

You will find it is unfortunately less rare than one might hope.


What makes you say it's just a myth?


All I can think is if this guy wasn't convicted: "Please tell us about the time you, most successfully hacked some (non-computer) system to your advantage."


He didn't truly hack the system as much as he committed a very dumb theft/crime.

Between an approximately two year period (Oct 2010 to Dec 2012), he ordered an amount of toners that greatly exceeded the law firm's usage. This jump in cost would have been pretty obvious to an auditor/accountant comparing it to the historical order amount for ink toners & some sanity check.

But because he got away with it for two+ years, makes me wonder whether he greatly increased these orders after the first year of getting away with it.


One could retort that technically any crime is a form of (non-computer) black hat hacking.


Especially if you use an axe.




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