I just wish Google would have been straight-up about this, had a big blog post saying "Here is why we think RSS needs to be replaced, and we've got some big plans to replace it, which involve a, b, c, and existing standard d. It's a bit abrupt but we're coming out with X on timeline Y."
Not this cryptic bullshit. It's like breaking up with someone by just never returning their calls.
This has nothing to do with thinking RSS is dead or needs to be replaced, or whatever. It's just closing a feature request that was never going to be implemented. It never really made sense for the web browser itself to also be an RSS reader anyways.
And it doesn't preclude the implementation of Chrome extensions which provide that functionality. It's merely a statement that it won't be integrated into the browser.
(Which is fine by me. Chrome doesn't need to try to be everything to everybody. For that, there's the Mozilla SeaMonkey suite.)
and the closing comment on this bug points to two new ones. I'm not sure why a bug no one cared about until today is getting people this riled up. I'm a loooong time Reader user and certainly never cared about RSS support in the browser (I used to use the RSS button in Firefox years ago, but that was honestly hit or miss on if it would enter the Reader workflow correctly, so I eventually just always searched for the URL in Reader directly).
This story seems like people jumping at another chance to further shame google on the Reader front, which is fine, but this seems like a somewhat dishonest opening for it, especially considering the directness of the closing comment.
> It never really made sense for the web browser itself to also be an RSS reader anyways.
Well, I can understand that it might not have been for everyone, but it was super convenient to be able to read RSS "folders" in Firefox. I'm a Chrome/Chromium fanboy these days--I use it on all of my devices--but I still miss that feature. If you don't want to use a certain functionality, it's easy to just avoid it; you can't ever use something that isn't implemented, though.
Clicking on a bookmark and seeing the most recent BBC headlines, for example, was awesome.
Some people want a random subset of news for entertainment. G+ is great for that. Here's a great big pile of recent stuff from everyone, a circle, or a community.
On the other hand, lets say I want to verify I read every story from certain sources (perhaps the BBC?) exactly, precisely once. I don't see a way in the G+ UI to "mark as read" or "only display unread" or whatever. Might exist or might be a weird way to hack it in, but its not intuitive.
For some reason option #1 is semi-popular among news readers, social networking, and old fashioned or online broadcasting, but option #2 is nearly universal among email clients and podcast clients. You'd never use an email client with a UI of "here's a random collection of some recent emails" with no way to tag them as read or deleted. I'd LOL at the idea of a podcast client with "here's a random cast that you may or may not have already heard"
Another horrible UI fail is time based. G+ can only do one linear "newest to oldest" sort. Even the dumbest RSS feed readers have some kind of tag/save/star feature. So you can skim the whole feed, star/save/tag good stuff for later detailed reading. Then once there is no "unread" left, start reading the star/save/tag stories in detail, perhaps much later. This "workflow" is impossible in G+ as near as I can tell.
Finally no one using the "RSS" workflow uses G+, so you get the chicken and the egg thing, where there's no demand for even the most primitive of workflow management in G+ because anyone wanting anything like that uses RSS. So the BBC is a bad example in that their social networking people are probably required to use both, but I suspect that 99% of my RSS feeds are not available in G+ because they self segregate by workflow. You'll need a bigger shock to the system than cancelling goog reader. I switched to newsblur once the crushing demand let up a bit. I'm not going to abandon everything I currently enjoy to watch cat videos on G+.
In addition to VLM's excellent points about the horrible Google+ UI, the feed system is open while Google+ is proprietary and closed. Why should the BBC subsidize Google's business? Why should all of us miss out on innovation which can't happen before Facebook/Twitter adds a feature and Google copies it? Reader might have been the most popular client but there are a ton of tools and services which do interesting things using feeds, none of which are possible in a walled garden.
He does not say that it's a coincidence. He says that the event has probably brought back this issue, and that they have closed it to avoid false hope (since it should have been closed a long time ago according to the last post).
And the closing message is quite clear about this, there's no hidden agenda there, they've just never planned to implement this (and rightly so in my opinion since it would have bloated the browser for something that can easily be an extension).
"The web" has a specific meaning, and IRC and Usenet are not generally considered part of it.
RSS is -- the essential concept was even included in the initial vision for the web:
>With help from Robert Cailliau, [Berners-Lee] published a more formal proposal (on 12 November 1990) to build a "Hypertext project" called "WorldWideWeb" (one word, also "W3") as a "web" of "hypertext documents" to be viewed by "browsers" using a client–server architecture.[4] This proposal estimated that a read-only web would be developed within three months and that it would take six months to achieve "the creation of new links and new material by readers, [so that] authorship becomes universal" as well as "the automatic notification of a reader when new material of interest to him/her has become available."
RSS doesn't have to be a "content" it can be used as metainformation. Here's the obvious UI experience:
You've got lots of bookmarks. Much as browsers recently started downloading and displaying "favicons" (well, maybe not so recently, I'm an old timer), there is no reason a browser can't download the RSS feed from a site and compare the date of the most recent update to the latest date in the browsers history log. In other words if there's something new, its "bold" in my bookmarks and if not, its regular.
Now this is opt-in spamable, if you're running a journalist site or ecommerce, of course you doctor your sites feed to always appear new in someone's bookmarks even if its the same old recycled garbage. But there's more to the 'net than online stores and tabloid journalism.
Another novel user experience would be the trend of turning the "address/URL bar" into a search gateway bar. I think it fairly logical that if I use the "search" bar it should search and prioritize results from RSS feeds I subscribe to, below my own bookmarks and above generic web search results (aka google)
I don't think RSS is very interesting as "content" or an "app" but it could be pretty useful as metainformation.
Man, is it annoying when writers don't know the difference between the internet and the web. Maybe we could have a little test on the account-creation page?
Most of the feeds I read are HTML excerpts with a link to the full article, or notifications with a link to a page. It makes perfect sense to read them within a browser, as I do in Opera.
Note that I didn't say you shouldn't read your RSS feeds in the browser, just that it isn't necessary for it to be part of the core browser itself. Extensions, web apps, etc. are all ways of reading RSS in the browser without it being directly incorporated.
I like that Opera handles feeds the same as email.
Another alternative on Windows is surprisingly IE. The user interface is actually similar to GR where you can read multIple feeds at once when you organIze them In folders. I used it before I switched to GR. It can also import/export OPML
Dude don't play stupid. They don't want people to separate content from form (which would you classify ads as?) which at end of the day means cutting out rss except for twitteressque tidbit links.
You can certainly monetize via RSS ("click through to view the full story"). The is a push towards Google+ and reclaiming resources spent on Google Reader, nothing more.
That wake up call was when they strangled the Reader social community and started pushing Google+ so heavily on Gmail users: this social network wasn't going to be the kind of service you joined because you wanted to, it would be the sort which is even more hassle to ignore than to use.
They didn't need to extend, because virtually everyone using RSS was using their reader.
In a way you could say they "extended" the readers, by providing a better one than existing ones. Better enough, that "nobody" cared to make a competitor, until it was clear it was going to die.
So yeah, it's close enough to embrace, extend, extinguish to me.
The Microsoft extinction was of every product except theirs. The purpose of EEE was to eliminate the competition and capture all the market, and it's kind of hard to do that when you eliminate yourself.
Not to mention, that we can not really say they extended the readers, because the extensions didn't make them incompatible and so prevented people from moving, like the EEE did.
I'm glad people are losing some misplaced trust in Google, but let's not blindingly apply labels to this.
I didn't say it was a suitable replacement. It's hardly an uncommon notion that they're trying to push people to Google+. Most of the behavioral defenses of killing Reader have to do with the fact that "social" won. (I disagree. Different use-cases)
Except that makes no sense in terms of Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish. The only extending had nothing to do with RSS as a standard, it was keeping archives of feeds around for nearly forever. Everyone loved that feature and the UI, at least more than many of the competing feed readers, so they used it. That's exactly how you want things to compete in a market.
Which brings me to the next point: what market are you even talking about? There were never any profits in the RSS reader market. The only real market was one of interest by users, which Google Reader pretty legitimately competed in and still retained a large number of users (even if by "it's good enough to not bother switching").
There are still a ton of feed readers still around and still free (it's just consuming XML, after all). The ones that people are jumping to are the ones that have worked on their usability and are offering to take money to guarantee the feature that google didn't: storing feed history.
Yeah, they did this whole RSS needs replaced thing already and they called it Atom... I think syndication and walled gardens don't mix very well. EDIT: Not that that is what's actually going on here. I don't even know why I'm commenting on this kind of frenzy creating garbage anyway :(
Not this cryptic bullshit. It's like breaking up with someone by just never returning their calls.