On: US voters roundly reject data centers in ballot measures

[twiclo]

Natural gas which is abundant and cheap. I suppose I could see my gas bill going up.

[imbusy111 → twiclo]

And you don't see any problem with burning more natural gas?

[kleiba2 → imbusy111]

> What do you want the county to do? We can't tell someone that it's illegal to use their land. This is happening. I'm happy that we're getting a good deal out of it.

You were asking for good reason against the data centers - I would imagine not being complicit in the detrimental effects caused by burning exorbitant amounts of fossils for electricity could be one of them.

[rayiner → imbusy111]

Advancing civilization will require increasing energy use, yes. That's always been the long-term trend of development.

[paulhebert → rayiner]

How is that working out environmentally?

I think people would be more open to the data center buildout if the data center projects built their own clean energy infrastructure

[rayiner → paulhebert]

Great. Long term, environmental deaths have greatly decreased: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/natural-disasters-deaths?...

[amanaplanacanal → rayiner]

Heat related and pollution related deaths aren't counted in that chart.

[pjc50 → rayiner]

Advancing civilization to what temperature?

[Levitz → imbusy111]

The problem is that anyone who actually cares about such thing has like a dozen better venues to deal with it than data centers, yet they haven't in their lives thought of a single one.

[goda90 → Levitz]

What are you talking about? Why shouldn't we be opposed to all new use of fossil fuels?

[twiclo → imbusy111]

What do you want the county to do? We can't tell someone that it's illegal to use their land. This is happening. I'm happy that we're getting a good deal out of it.

[goda90 → twiclo]

We can certainly tell people it's illegal to emit pollution into the air.

[pixl97 → twiclo]

>We can't tell someone that it's illegal to use their land

We the voters 100% can.

[CalRobert → twiclo]

It's literally illegal to build apartments almost everywhere.

[elicash → CalRobert]

Do you think this is good?

[CalRobert → elicash]

No

[pickleglitch → twiclo]

What are you talking about? We can and do tell people what they can and can't do with their land all the time. That's what zoning laws do.

[blactuary → twiclo]

Incremental use of more NG is a terrible idea. We have to get off of fossil fuels, not use even more, especially for this

[twiclo → blactuary]

The county is currently building a nuclear power plant

[happymellon → twiclo]

Then the DC should surely help fund it, and its existence should be dependent in its completion? Otherwise it will be like every other large scale development that offers this without being on the hook.

The nuclear will get delayed. Always does.

[kube-system → twiclo]

Gas turbine generators which were originally designed for temporary use and don't meet the emissions regulations of a power plant?