On: OpenAI seems to be silently re-enabling model training on Codex chats

[jamienk]

I didn't realize the Gemini makes it so that saving chats in your sidebar = sharing chats with Google for AI training. They obfuscate this with their dark-pattern "Gemini Apps Activity"

> Keep activity

> Keeping your activity lets you pick up chats where you left off anytime and helps improve Google services, including AI models. When this setting is off, Google still saves chats for 72 hours to respond to you and help keep Gemini safe.

[lacoolj → jamienk]

Yeah dude, I had to explain this to my mom and sister this past weekend

One of the darkest patterns on top of the most childish behaviors a company can have.

You don't want to share your data with us? Well, I guess you don't want it either then, so now no one gets it.

[warkdarrior → lacoolj]

Why should they waste their storage on your data, if it does not benefit them?

[k0dyn → warkdarrior]

'cuz I'm paying them for that storage?

As in, Google's AI plans explicitly specify the amount of storage you're buying.

No, that doesn't apply to free usage - but that old adage about "If the product is free, are you sure you're not the product?" applies.

[lacoolj → warkdarrior]

Lol well I pay for it for one thing

[sheepscreek → jamienk]

Yep, this is one of the the darkest patterns that I've seen in a Google product. No paid tier can help you get rid of it.

The only way out is to stop being a 'consumer', and opt for a business account.

[shostack → jamienk]

Is that the same thing that let's them use it for ads targeting and measurement like connected apps with the android assistant switch they did? I basically have stopped using it.

[pritambarhate → jamienk]

Yes, we were seriously considering giving Gemini subscriptions to everyone at work. But when we came across this setting, we dropped that plan and went to Anthropic instead.

[ZnerflBerp → jamienk]

I'm surprised they even feel a need to trick you. They have access to the data and more than enough motivation.

[mapontosevenths → jamienk]

Does this apply to corporate accounts as well?

[ipsum2 → jamienk]

Gemini is the worst at this - its impossible to opt out if you use AI Studio.

[NoahZuniga → ipsum2]

I thought that if you used an api key data wasn't trained on in AI studio