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Well we could examine the history here, for instance when he bought Twitter that it would immediately collapse (now its more popular than ever and Bluesky is the one that's falling apart) and when the Cybertruck was announced there were lots of people saying it could never be made: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21602437
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You forgot about how everyone was insisting the Hyperloop would never work and then it became the principal mode of transportation. Or how we couldn't possibly have a Mars colony in 2024. Or how twitter would never become the West's everything app. Etc.


Elon Musk causes incredible amounts of historical non-examination. There are now so many examples that it's actually difficult to list them all. My guess is that people just get very confused by the difference between late delivery and non-delivery.

> There are now so many examples that it's actually difficult to list them all.

Please, try.

Meanwhile: Hyperloop, Boring company, everything app, Mars colonies, FSD... Maybe he'll end up delivering on some of these (most probably partially, at best), but with Musk, overpromising and underdelivering in the norm. There's nothing to be confused about.


It’s crazy how many Cybertrucks I see in my hometown, and I don’t live in that big of a city. They are incredibly popular. This car will be incredibly popular to. Peoples are getting bent out of shape about the “thrust” and “rocket” variants, but who cares? Those will be few and far between. For rich collectors mostly. How about just the base model? It looks wild, I’m sure it will be fun as hell to drive. They are going to sell a ton of these things.

Cybertrucks objectively missed sales expectations by a lot. The numbers are well-documented.

The Mitsubishi Outlander outsells it.

I can’t imagine a car without a steering wheel benign fun to drive. Tesla has never been known for handling and driving dynamics.


The 3 handles quite nicely, I'd compare the performance model favorably to any BMW M3.

I have never heard any serious automotive journalist come up with that sort of comparison.

Numb steering, crashy handling, that’s what the gearheads seem to say about Tesla vehicles.

They go fast but they are absolutely not at the top of the class for driving dynamics.

I’ve test driven a Model Y Performance and the steering was lighter and more numb than my basic economy car. The car goes fast but that’s all it does.

If the roadster has drive by wire like the cybertruck that’s going to be even worse.


Maybe if you don't like driving? It's really a solid car. Much better than the WRX, which is quite good. Make sure you set steering to low assist. The performance models in general are serious machines. Top of class in their price range by a long shot.

Dude this is crazy, kind of embarrassing if I’ll be honest.

There is no universe in which I would compare any Tesla model to an M3 or WRX.

First of all we should consider that their direct competitor the Ioniq 5 N is a better performance car.

The M3 finishes Willow Springs faster than the Model 3, so we can’t even go by raw performance. In track conditions the battery thermals and stock tires on the Model 3 can’t keep up.

Comparing the emotions you’re going to get from a V8 gurgling and thrashing through gears compared to a silent EV motor is just not even in the same league. The Ioniq 5 N actually does something about that and reviewers are impressed. They directly state that it is more fun than Tesla performance models.

Then your other problem is that the Model 3 performance looks identical to your uber driver’s car. Someone dropping $60k on a performance car wants to feel special. The trim and upholstery options on the M3 alone are more exciting than the Model 3.


The Ioniq 5 N is really good too. Track mode is such a great tool on the 3 that it gives it a clear edge.

I own a v8 (4.6 modular, baby), and it's lovely. Different driving experience, much less performance. I don't want an EV that's trying to compete with that experience, I want a machine that's honest about what it is.

I don't care how my car looks. I spend the money on performance. Bang for buck, the performance model 3 is maximum smiles per hour.


> They are incredibly popular.

They sell 20k of them per year. It's the opposite of popular


Did you read the post or just skim.

They ARE popular, I see 10-20 a day when I drive around. Now if you want to compare to a corolla, I don't care.


> They ARE popular, I see 10-20 a day when I drive around.

They're distinctive.

Count Corollas for a day. You can probably see 10-20 at once in some spots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion

(When I got a Toyota Echo back in the early 2000s, I suddenly saw them everywhere, too. And yet… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Platz#Sales)




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